Patrick Doyle & Julia Doyle (nee Kavanagh)

[*Sandra*]

If you would like to give us a name and some details John we can have a look to see what there is.

Sandra

[Ashtone]

I've been having a quick search for Patrick and Julia in the USA (1870 onwards) but they are very common names. So you really need something extra to go on. Probably a Naturalisation record for Patrick, etc.

[*Sandra*]

The early naturalization records don't give a lot of information.  This is the type of information those early ones might give you :-
Surname - Residence
Birth date - Age
Date certificate issued
Court issued at - Petition or declaration number
Volume and page numbers
Former Nationality

The states whose records are currently included in the database  U.S., Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992  are Alaska, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Montana, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, New York, Tennessee, Washington, and Vermont.

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

Have you located the obituaries for Walter Lawless and Ellen Kavanagh Lawless to see if the mention her sister and husband ?

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

You may already have this - Find A Grave shows the deaths and burials

Walter Lawless - 1833 - 1902

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/115192410/walter-lawless

Ellen Kavanaugh Lawless - 1838 - 1925

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/115192433/ellen-lawless

and son Anthony T. Lawless - 1871 - 1959

Burial - Mount Olivet Cemetery Braidwood, Will County, Illinois

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/115192481/anthony-t-lawless

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

Sometimes families who immigrated stay in the same vicinity, have you scrolled thru the 1880 census to see if you see Patrick and Judy/Julia in Kankakee, Illinois, perhaps mistranscribed ?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXV3-Q62

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GYBM-H3G?i=9&cc=1417683&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMXV3-Q62

Sadra

[Jytefas]

Many thanks Sandra for the previous posts. I have quite a lot of info on the Illinois Lawless family, BMD certs, Census, newspaper Obituaries etc, but no mention of Patrick & Julie. I have spoken to older descendants of the Lawless family and again they have no recollection of them.... is a strange one.

[*Sandra*]

The Lawless angle would be exhausted then.      What about the other siblings, have you traced those ?

Sandra

[Ashtone]

Interestingly...there is a Julia Doyle (age 5 months) residing with Walter & Ann (sic) Lawless in the 1870 census in Kankakee, Illinois. Obviously relationships aren't given in the 1870 census, but could she be the daughter of Patrick & Julia? Her birthdate is Dec 1869. Birthplace: Illinois.