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JOHN MARTIN convict 1782
« on: Tuesday 28 December 21 03:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi Everyone I'm hoping firstly that I maybe able to find a mention in "The Times" possibly of the trial of John Martin (Negro) 3rd of July 1782 Middlesex, Old Bailey.

I have tried to find the original trial without success on the Old Bailey website.  I do have a transcription of the trial though.

John stole property from a STEPHEN TURNBULL and/or ?   John was sent to Newgate Prison for 4 months before being put on board the "Den Keyser" which was bound for Africa but he was returned to Newgate as he a contracted Typhus.  He was then stayed in Newgate Prison until 1785, then to the Hulk "Ceres" and finally sent to NSW on the Alexander-First Fleet 1788.

I'm hoping to find some information on him while he was in Newgate Prison or the Ceres Hulk as well or any snippets of interest.  Does anyone know where the records for Newgate Prison are kept please.

It is not known from the many researchers where John originated from.  Just that he was Black/Negro! living in and around London.  Any help or advice is very much appreciated.  Kind regards Dianna

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Re: JOHN MARTIN convict 1782
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 28 December 21 04:00 GMT (UK) »
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Re: JOHN MARTIN convict 1782
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 28 December 21 04:07 GMT (UK) »
Wow that is interesting. I have heard of that guy, similar to John Martin, not the same person though.

I'm sure the author Mollie Gillen did write something about JOHN MARTIN though from memory.  Hoping to find a snippet in "The Times" if possible!  Thank you as usual JM.  Regards Dianna

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Re: JOHN MARTIN convict 1782
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 28 December 21 04:11 GMT (UK) »
HI Just found this John MARTIN died Parramatta NSW 1837.  Have lot's of information from here which is great just would like some snippets from England/Newgate etc.  All good many thanks Dianna

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Re: JOHN MARTIN convict 1782
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 28 December 21 04:12 GMT (UK) »
“The Times. Commenced publication in 1785.

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Re: JOHN MARTIN convict 1782
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 28 December 21 04:15 GMT (UK) »
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: JOHN MARTIN convict 1782
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 28 December 21 04:17 GMT (UK) »
A good website here ….
https://stjohnsonline.org/bio/john-martin/
Some useful references at the end. :)
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: JOHN MARTIN convict 1782
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 28 December 21 04:21 GMT (UK) »
Yes,    :)  they are good references Neale.

David COLLINS (1754-1810), An Account of the English Colony in New South Wales, Vol 1 London, 1798.
David COLLINS (1754-1810), An Account of the English Colony in New South Wales, Vol 2 London, 1802.

See https://gutenberg.net.au/first-fleet.html

JM
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Re: JOHN MARTIN convict 1782
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 28 December 21 04:31 GMT (UK) »
FANTASTIC Everyone thanks so much.  Now I'm up the creek with "The Times" then!  thanks for that information  mckha489.  I wonder were there any other publications at that time!  Anyway thank you very much JM Neale 1961 (as usual). Dianna
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