Worcester Convict to Australia 1827

[Ruskie]

It might be helpful if any of the childrens births give a place name for Thomas, whether that be a parish, a place in Worcester”shire”, or Worcester itself. Children's deaths might also give that info?

Have you looked through parish records for births/baptisms of Thomas Fields around the right year? You may find that he named his own children after his parents. Sometimes you can get lucky.

[Ozemar]

Thank you for the advice, Ruskie. I can't afford to order 10 birth and 10 death certificates to check if a birthplace is given for the father. More's the pity and I honestly don't think he divulged that information.

I have difficulty looking for Worcester parish records online.

I'll keep trying nevertheless.

[Ozemar]

The Biographical Database of Australia may have further information on Thomas FIELD per the John 1.     
https://www.bda-online.org.au/   the not for profit organisation has an annual subscription of $38.  It seems to have 15 indexed records for him, including 2 applications to marry, his Conditional pardon was not collected by him, in 1829 he was sent to Norfolk Island,  1835 to Port Macquarie and later to Moreton Bay when it was a penal settlement.

If, as seems likely, he was aged 92 when he died, then his death occurred several decades after civil registration started (1850s in Vic, NSW and Qld).   Perhaps his d.c. could note the names of his parents.  I doubt if the parents details would be on either of the 1840s parish registrations of the possible marriage/s. 

JM

JM,
I have never heard of Thomas FIELD being moved to the Norfolk Island, Port Macquarie, Moreton Bay penal settlements. I will have to subscribe to the BDA to sort it out. Just to make my life more complicated, there was another Thomas Field (b abt 1780) assigned to Liverpool, NSW. He came out as a convict earlier on the 'Fortune' in 1813. I always wondered if it might be my Thomas's father or uncle. I believe he could have been the one who may have been sent to those other settlements. I suppose it's all just conjecture without solid proof. Something else to follow up.

[majm]

https://www.bda-online.org.au/files/NI3-Residents.pdf 

ADD all the index entries for Thomas FIELD per John in 1827 that are using the above source (so at least three or four out of 15) are citing their respective page number of/from the  Col. Secretary Index to Sheriff letters which is a NSW State Archives set of official records.

JM

[Ruskie]

Thank you for the advice, Ruskie. I can't afford to order 10 birth and 10 death certificates to check if a birthplace is given for the father. More's the pity and I honestly don't think he divulged that information.

I have difficulty looking for Worcester parish records online.

I'll keep trying nevertheless.

I wouldn’t suggest buying all ten. Maybe one or two over time? I would get other’s opinions as to whether or not this might be worthwhile before ordering though.

I wouldn’t expect that stating his place of birth on certificates of his children would give any of his secrets away, surely. 

Did Thomas leave a will? You may find mention of other family which lead back to Worcester.

Searching for baptisms in Worcester might be a bit of a task as there are several parishes:
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WOR/Worcester

Location of registers:
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Worcestershire_Church_Records

[Bookbox]

There is a WikiTree entry that gives Thomas Field (b.1803)'s parents as Henry Field & Elizabeth Witherford of Northfield. I will have to verify that somehow.

Northfield, formerly in Worcestershire, is now part of Birmingham
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WOR/Northfield

Some of the parish registers are on Ancestry (Birmingham, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812).

If you don't have a current Ancestry subscription, try here ...

https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5df23aa0f493fde0d4d3274d/thomas-field-baptism-worcestershire-northfield-1803-08-21?locale=en

You may be able to construct at least part of this Field family from these transcripts on FreeREG. You would, of course, need corroboration from some other source to prove this is your man.

[Ozemar]

Bookbox,
Thanks for the tips and link to FreeReg. I'll definitely try that out.
Cheers,
Ozemar

[majm]

Hi there,  it is entirely possible that Thomas' actual 'native place' is recorded on the NSW BDM birth certs for any child born AFTER civil registration in NSW commenced in March 1856.   You do not need to purchase the real deal certificates.  You don't even need to purchase ''all" of the ones post 1856.   You could start with the OFFICIAL transcription of the youngest child born after 1856.  That birth cert should include the name of the informant,  his/her usual address, relationship to the baby, and the gender and ages of all the older siblings (sometimes even their names).  Importantly it also includes the informant's supplied information as to where each parent was born, (in many instances you are given the name of the village, the county and then 'England') and their own age at the time of registering that baby's birth, PLUS where and when married. 

Do you remember that you have posted about Thomas previously?

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=856806.0

Debra 

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The Biographical Database of Australia may have further information on Thomas FIELD per the John 1.     
https://www.bda-online.org.au/   the not for profit organisation has an annual subscription of $38.  It seems to have 15 indexed records for him, including 2 applications to marry, his Conditional pardon was not collected by him, in 1829 he was sent to Norfolk Island,  1835 to Port Macquarie and later to Moreton Bay when it was a penal settlement.

If, as seems likely, he was aged 92 when he died, then his death occurred several decades after civil registration started (1850s in Vic, NSW and Qld).   Perhaps his d.c. could note the names of his parents.  I doubt if the parents details would be on either of the 1840s parish registrations of the possible marriage/s. 

JM

I will post on both threads.

Hi there, Ozemar,

I have very carefully checked all the information that is clearly set out at the BDA website for your Thomas.  May I please assure you that all items do refer to Thomas per the John in 1827, and further in all instances give clear valid and well respected independent sources for the information listed.   In most instances the actual 'reel number' for the film of the actual image of the actual record held by the NSW State Archives is actually quoted.    I do not intend infringing RChat rules and/or BDA rules.   It may well be that the NSW State Archives reels are also readily available at NO CHARGE via the Australian Joint Copying Project.

The info I can clearly see causes me to believe that Thomas was sent to Norfolk Island as a secondary punishment for offence/s in NSW sometime after arriving and before mid 1829.   

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=829521.0
https://www.nla.gov.au/research-guides/australian-joint-copying-project
https://www.bda-online.org.au/

JM

[majm]

The Biographical Database of Australia may have further information on Thomas FIELD per the John 1.     
https://www.bda-online.org.au/   the not for profit organisation has an annual subscription of $38.  It seems to have 15 indexed records for him, including 2 applications to marry, his Conditional pardon was not collected by him, in 1829 he was sent to Norfolk Island,  1835 to Port Macquarie and later to Moreton Bay when it was a penal settlement.

If, as seems likely, he was aged 92 when he died, then his death occurred several decades after civil registration started (1850s in Vic, NSW and Qld).   Perhaps his d.c. could note the names of his parents.  I doubt if the parents details would be on either of the 1840s parish registrations of the possible marriage/s. 

JM

ADD
So,   I have checked the online BDM index for NSW.   I can see the following INDEX info that could refer to your Thomas' youngest child's birth:

Ann V,   parents as Thomas & Elizabeth FIELD,  Ref 9081 of 1864.  Registered Gundagai district.  Her date of birth drills down to 5 July 1864.

Here is RChat's thread from the Resources board re Official transcriptions: 
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300394.0.html

Here is NSW BDM's page with info about Official transcriptions:
https://www.nsw.gov.au/family-and-relationships/family-history-search/help-and-support#Ancestry-research-help

Fingers crossed that Thomas was the informant, and that the clerk recorded all the info that Thomas gave about where and when he was born. 

JM