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help find missing child North Shields
« on: Thursday 30 December 21 13:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
I would appreciate help with a mystery.
On the 1871 census I have my ancestors Peter Johnson a mariner from Randers, Denmark, and his wife Edith Rebecca, living at 17 Dotwick Street, North Shields. However the census record on ancestry  lists the children, but when  I actually look at the image I don't see the children. In particular I am missing this one child, Edith mary johnson. She  seems to vanish entirely from the records.
My cousin remembers auntie mary Johnson from seymour street, chirton, but this would have been about 1950 or thereabouts.
Also...
 The North Tyneside Council provided the following information
"CON-F-9766
 Edith Rebecca Johnson
Burial took place on 30th March 1903
Aged 56 years
Edith Johnson
Burial took place on 27th March 1907
Aged 57 years
(unmarked graves, I have visited).
Can I find Edith Mary?
Her mother was Edith  Rebecca (Nee Charlton). I have a GRO record of her birth.
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Re: help find missing child North Shields
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 30 December 21 13:49 GMT (UK) »
On the 1871 census I have my ancestors Peter Johnson a mariner from Randers, Denmark, and his wife Edith Rebecca, living at 17 Dotwick Street, North Shields.

Their address in 1871 is Robson Row and they have one daughter with them, Margaret J aged 3. 

JOHNSON, MARGARET  JANE
Mother's maiden surname: CHARLTON     
GRO Reference: 1867  D Quarter in TYNEMOUTH  Volume 10B  Page 173

They were only married in 1866 so I assume that Margaret was their first child.  Who else do you expect to see?

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Re: help find missing child North Shields
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 30 December 21 13:51 GMT (UK) »
The census you are referring to is 1881, not 1871.  The children are all there, did you not turn to the next page?

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Re: help find missing child North Shields
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 30 December 21 13:54 GMT (UK) »
As Dundee says, 1871 they were at Robsons Row
 I think you posted the wrong census year.
In 1881 they were at Dotwick st

and like the 1871 census the parents were the last people on that page no more space, so you need to look at the top of the following image to see the children listed.
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Re: help find missing child North Shields
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 30 December 21 14:35 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, Sorry about the mistake in the year. Yes, they also lived at Robson's Row. the children were as follows
Margaret Jane, 1867 to 1918
Edith Mary 1871 _? Gone missing
Andrew Peter 1873-1918
Christian Micheal 1877-1945
Sara Bull (named after her grandmother) 1879-? Also maybe missing?
Dorothy Louisa 1881-1882.

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Re: help find missing child North Shields
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 30 December 21 14:40 GMT (UK) »
Edith M was listed on the 1881 census as being 9.

So she would have been 19 by the time the next census was taken. If she 's not with her family, the possibilities are :
She married and is listed elsewhere with her new surname
She was working and living elsewhere (anywhere in the UK or indeed in the world)
She had died between 1881 - 1891

Have you managed to discount any of those scenarios?

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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 30 December 21 14:53 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, yes I did look for marriage records but could not find one.  I looked for death records but could not find one. She could be using just one of her names, either Mary or Edith. If she moved out of the area for work or something else it would be hard to find her. Its not an unusual name. The cemetery record for Edith Johnson 1907 in with Edith rebecca is also a possibility, but unlikely they made a mistake with the age. and surely she would have some records in between?
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Re: help find missing child North Shields
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 30 December 21 15:31 GMT (UK) »
Which cemetery was that?

I think the age of 57 may be an error either in the register (if they provided the image) or in the transcription they gave you

I can't see a death reg for a Johnson, female first name Edith, age 57 in the index on the GRO site within Northumberland.

Long shot:
Did her brother Andrew Peter marry a Margaret Thewl[i/e]s in 1899?

If so there is a birth reg in Q1 1902 Tynemouth
Edith 'Morn' Johnson, mother's maiden name Thewles
and a death reg Q1 1907 Tynemouth
Edith 'Moin' Johnson age 5
 and a couple of newspaper reports about this wee soul's death:

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Re: help find missing child North Shields
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 30 December 21 17:01 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I have been researching this family closely and thought I had obtained all the siblings of my grandfather who was indeed  the child of Andrew Peter and Margaret Thewlis. I now learn of Edith Morn, whose name was missing from a document I had since 2003,  about an estate, I believed containing a list of his siblings, all unknown to me.
I feel quite distressed to read about the poor child  and the trauma the whole family must have endured. It s surely my ancestors. They lived in that part of town and my grandfather married a girl from Front Street. Front Street Chirton.
But are you saying that its likely Edith Morn buried in with Edith Rebecca? Forgive my seeming incompetence.
I am going to post another question relating to my grandmother, who was a roman catholic. My family shared very little about the history. They are all gone now.
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