Imminent 1921 Census - Additional costs

[Copper1]

Sorry if I have been unable to find anyone answering this point, but......whilst we have been aware only for about 5 weeks the cost of 'Transcript' & 'Original' images, I don't think FindMyPast have announced what, if any, cost they have imposed for the extras such as the enumerator's notebook list, cover etc that were often supplied with the 1911 documents. Do they exist this time at all in fact?

[Jon_ni]

The 1921 Census of England & Wales has none of the enumeration books that you see in the censuses from 1841 to 1901. Enumeration books were produced by enumerators in 1921 but these were discarded and destroyed at some point. Neither does the 1921 Census have the enumerator summary books included with the 1911 Census, which give just the head of household. Instead, the 1921 Census comprises the original household schedules (as in the 1911 Census) and the plans of division which enabled the Census Office to conduct its work with maximum efficiency during the long summer of 1921.
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/blog/family-records/taking-1921-census

if look at the videos they photographed absolutely everything as was all packed away afterwards and put back into 'deep storage'.

[Copper1]

Many thanks for the clarity of your response Jon. However, raises more issues than I've known (of) previously.
The source of the 1931 census fire is given in the quoted document is now 1942 and we've all been continually told it was 1940! But nobody has yet given the source of the detail we are expected to accept - the enumerator's books etc, etc were at some point disguarded. Is this going to be heresay, Home Office spokesperson's glib remark, or proven statement from a document held perhaps by the National Archive? Hitherto FindMyPast have not said anything.
Some of us record census data as accurate-rightly so on observation of original documents, and as we now have to accept more missing documents, we need to know how this is proof positive.
I am indebted to previous contributors who came forward with actual citations of the 1940 fire by the way.
Hopefully there's someone out there who does have a published record to resolve this issue before it becomes the mystery of 1921 missing documents.

[Jon_ni]

Unfortunately, the 1931 census for England and Wales was destroyed by fire in 1942
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/census-records/
https://www.1901census.com/1931-census/
https://www.familyhistory.co.uk/1931-census/
https://www.1911census.org.uk/1931
https://www.familysearch.org/en/blog/what-no-british-censuses-for-1931-or-1941
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34570120
https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters/jun10news.htm#fateof1931

cuffie81 said 1942 in his reply to your question https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=854702.msg7231524#msg7231524 transcribing a brief newspaper article and others replied with some of the above links which all state 1942.

The following might be of interest too when the 1911 census was released the  charges were:10 credits for each transcript and 30 for each original household page. 60 credits cost £6.95.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jan/13/census-online-archives
So a 1911 census image was same price as the 1921 [cheaper allowing for inflation] whilst transcript was less than half the price (perhaps they think people are unlikely to pay for the transcripts, they were done in India by their 'transcription partner'). In the paragraph above it also says "the 1931 records were destroyed in a fire at Hayes, west London, in 1942, though not caused by enemy action"
1911: "Starting 13th January 2009, it became available from brightsolid's genealogy subsidiary Findmypast on a dedicated website, with a phased release, county by county, initially on a pay-per-view basis only." https://www.1911census.org.uk/
Ancestry and The Genealogist acquired rights to the 1911 on 5 Nov 1910 and released as part of a sub https://www.ancestry.com/corporate/newsroom/press-releases/ancestrycom-and-genealogist-acquire-1911-census

As we have the originals filled in by the Householder for 1911 and 1921 would an enumerators book, some form of transcription of them, add anything, we don't seem to lament their absence for the 1911? Covers and details of enumeration areas show as 'Extra Materials' when viewing the 1911 census images, we can see what shows for the 1921 but if not part of the £3.50 they can wait till a later time without cost.

[Copper1]

I stand corrected. Many thanks. Sleep well now until Midnight 5/6th.

Issue completed.

[Mean_genie]

There seems to be some confusion about the enumeration books. Those are the books we are familiar with from 1841 to 1901, but the Enumerators' Summary Books for 1911 are quite different. They are the books that the enumerators used to list all the household they had enumerated, listing each address, the name of the head of household, and the numbers of males and females in each household. But they also described the type of building, whether it was  purely residential, or retail premises, for example. This was very useful if your shopkeeper ancestor lived 'over the shop' or if their business and home addresses were separate. Not only was the Enumerator's Summary Book the only place that described building use, it was the only place that listed vacant properties, and non-residential premises like churches, factories, workshops etc.

In earlier censuses at least some of this information would be recorded in the enumeration books. So the fact that there are only household schedules, and no summary books, for 1921 is most unfortunate, because it means there is no information on uninhabited buildings. But at least we will have the Plans of Division, which is some compensation. They describe the boundaries and contents of the enumeration districts (which was also in the 1911 summary books) and we don't have anything like that for the 1939 Register which makes it very difficult to work out the location of any particular enumeration district, and absolute nightmare in rural areas

If anyone wants to see what the various schedules, books and instructions for 1921 and other census years, there are lots of examples on HISTPOP

http://histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/Browse?path=Browse/TNA%20Census%20-%20Other%20(by%20date)&active=yes&treestate=contract&titlepos=0