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Lydia Reeman / Adams / Turkentine
« on: Tuesday 11 January 22 21:13 GMT (UK) »
This is my first time on here, so hope I'm asking this in the correct format and the right place  :)

I can't find the marriage(s) of Lydia Reeman b1856 Long Melford. She had a son Albert George Adams in 1877 (Sudbury). The father on the birth certificate is George Adams, bricklayer.

On the 1881 census she's Lydia Adams, widow, working as Child's nurse in Essex, while her son is living with her parents Alfred and Emily Reeman in Melford.

I can't find a Reeman-Adams marriage.

In 1887 she had the 1st of her 8 children with Edward Turkentine b1864 Great Cornard. The 1911 census says they've been married 22 years (ie 1889).

I can't find a Reeman-Turkentine marriage.

The only Adams-Turkentine marriage is 1901 in St Olave Southwark (which is close to where Lydia and Edward were then living, but not the 22 years they claimed in 1911 - although I realise they could have lied for appearance's sake because they'd had 7 children by then)

My questions are:
 
a) If there is no GRO marriage record for Reeman-Adams, does that mean they didn't actually get married? Is there any chance they did get married but it's not on the GRO? I've tried phonetic and wide year span searching.

b) If she was just using the name Adams (and label 'widow') for the sake of appearances, without actually being married, could she have got married to Edward Turkentine in the name of Adams in 1901? I don't know if it was necessary to show proof of name when getting married.

c) The 1901 marriage certificate will either say widow or spinster. If it's 'widow', will it also give her maiden name? I don't want to buy it if it just says widow and doesn't confirm that it is her!

Thanks for any help anyone can give.


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Re: Lydia Reeman / Adams / Turkentine
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 11 January 22 23:30 GMT (UK) »
The 1901 marriage is definitely the right Lydia but I can't find any Adams marriage.  There is an 1879 death for a 30yr old Brian Adams in Essex. EDIT - SORRY - SHOULD READ GEORGE ADAMS
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Re: Lydia Reeman / Adams / Turkentine
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 12 January 22 02:30 GMT (UK) »
The 1901 marriage is definitely the right Lydia but I can't find any Adams marriage.  There is an 1879 death for a 30yr old Brian Adams in Essex

Think that should be George Adams, CaroleW, not Brian!!

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Re: Lydia Reeman / Adams / Turkentine
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 12 January 22 10:07 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, I'll check out the death (George, not Brian lol). Can I ask why you are sure 1901 is the correct Lydia? And if there isn't a GRO Reeman-Adams does that mean there wasn't a marriage?
I will buy the 1901 certificate (it will take a while to get here as I'm in France) but I'm not certain it will actually help me!


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Re: Lydia Reeman / Adams / Turkentine
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 12 January 22 11:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Sorry for typo - yes - it should be George Adams so have put an edit on my reply.

Re marriage - son Harold Victor Turkentine b 1903 - mothers maiden name Reeman

Jessie Stephana 1889 mmn Reeman
Herbert Cyril b 1891 - mmn Ruman
Winifred Beryl 1895 mmn Reeman

No other marriage
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Re: Lydia Reeman / Adams / Turkentine
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 12 January 22 11:47 GMT (UK) »
Re Albert’s 1877 birth cert - does it show Lydia as Lydia Adams nee Reeman - or as Lydia Reeman?
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Re: Lydia Reeman / Adams / Turkentine
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 12 January 22 12:02 GMT (UK) »
The birth certificate of Albert George Adams gives mother as "Lydia Adams formerly Reeman".  So it would appear that she was married (but I suppose she could have lied). But if she did marry George Adams, why isn't it on GRO?

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Re: Lydia Reeman / Adams / Turkentine
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 12 January 22 12:45 GMT (UK) »
All Lydia's Turkentine children, including Harold Victor (the only one born after the 1901 marriage) give MMN as Reeman, but I can't confirm that she married George Adams or that she's the Lydia Adams on the 1901 marriage to Edward Turkentine.

Do you know if the marriage records of widows give their maiden names too?