re: ELIZABETH DAVIES - LLANGRANOG, WALES

[Webby]

Hi everyone, I'm attaching a Will of Enoch Davies which says 'to my five dear children' then proceeds to name them....but when you get to Elizabeth does the " "  " " mean that she was Elizabeth Davies Thomas? 

I was rather confused as if Elizabeth name was Davies and that Thomas & Mary Griffiths were separate couple? Mary Griffiths husband was named Thomas - but he married into the family, and no specific in-laws were mentioned in the Will only immediate family.  The Thomas Davies who was a child of Enoch had died in 1853 so he can probably be discounted.

Cheers
Webby

[Ayashi]

I'm reading this as her name being Elizabeth THOMAS (that is to say, married). The marks in between the names is curious- you see them (as usual) being used as filler on the end of sentences to remove gaps, but mid sentence? I wonder if a gap was left there for some reason that was later filled in when no word (middle name?) was added.

[Webby]

Hi,  I'm assuming that Elizabeth was a Elizabeth Davies Thomas...married name....but the Elizabeth Davies Thomas in Llangranog is not (my) Elizabeth Thomas married to Thomas Davies (a Miller) in Llangranog Wales!!!..

I had been wondering about the """""in between the names.... still trying to figure out whom she married to.   There is some conjecture that the marriage of a Thomas Thomas/Elizabeth in 1835 in Llangranog is'another Thomas/Elizabeth Thomas who had family and were Millers...but their deaths preculude them from "my" family.  They (Thomas/Elizabeth) were too old for my lot?  Frustrating to say the least!!!.  Many  thanks for your help.

Cheers
Webby

[Ayashi]

There's more than one Thomas THOMAS who married an Elizabeth. Looking on census, I think the ones who are older might be Thomas THOMAS and Elizabeth JONES who married in 1817. There is another couple to consider- Thomas THOMAS 1812 Llandysiliogogo and Elizabeth 1812 Llangranog. I don't know where they are in 1861 but in 1851 they are living as a couple and 1871 they have an adopted daughter Jane WATKINS. Their ages would match an 1835 marriage date. Worth checking out?

[Webby]

Yes, I've been looking into that marriage, the ages work out ok (Elizabeth was baptised in 1812) and the witnesses were John Davies and John Owen. Elizabeth had a brother John and also her mother (Sarah was an Owen)....again, not much to go on unfortunately!.   

I noticed on Ancestry that quite a few people have the (b c 1797 - Thomas & Elizabeth as having the marriage of 1835 in Llangranog. They had quite a few kids before their marriage, would this have been the done thing in those days?

I also couldn't find the (born c 1812) Thomas' in 1861 Census - but I did find in the 1891 Census that Jane Watkins was living with the elderly Thomas EVANS & Elizabeth Evans aged 80 & 81 and also born in Llandysiliogogo and Llangranog - unless this was a mistake I think they were Thomas & Elizabeth Thomas and not Evans. 

I also found an obit for Elizabeth's sister Mary Griffiths (the Miller's wife) who died in 1895 and luckily there is a mention of Elizabeth and another sister Magdalen (died in August of 1894)which states that both sisters' passed away within a few months of Mary (she died in March 1895) ....so that narrows it down to 1894 or so.   Not sure whether to look for Thomas & Evans???  Probably look at both just in case!.

Thanks for your help!.  This saga continues!!!.

Webby

[Ayashi]

I noted that the 1797 couple had many children pre-dating 1835. It happened occasionally, but in this case I'm far more inclined to believe that the people making the trees have made an error and simply copied each other without thinking. That happens far more often!