Catherine Hughes 2/1/1894 Holywell - Parents?

[shapeshifter]

This is my great grandmother who I knew as a kid. I've spent many MANY hours trying to identify her parents and fit her into a family. The key thing I'm lacking is a baptism record with father's or maiden name. What I know for sure is:
DOB: 2/1/1894
Place: Holywell (from civil birth record https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2FS8-T4N)
Married: 1927, Hawarden, Charles William Hayes (7/12/1893)
[1939 record confirms all birthdates inc. daughter]
Died: 5/1/1990

I can track her husband's side to day zero, but it's incredibly frustrating that I can't go even one step back with Catherine.

The best fit I can find is with Henry Hughes (1867) and Catherine hughes (1869) of Whitford who have a 'Catherine E' who fits in most ways. That is, not just rough dates but also in welsh speaking and living on or around a farm. However, despite the fact that this seems to fit well (Ancestry.com shows DNA 'thru-lines' extending through Catherine and her 'parents', but I don't trust these much) there are things that don't sit right, including that middle initial which is on nothing else I can find with myCatherine. And a marriage of their Catherine to someone else, although with scant records.

I also can't find her on the 1921 census. I've cross-referenced all of the 19xx censuses across not just Catherine and her namesakes, but possible parents and siblings and drawn a total blank.

Can anyone help please? I guess a baptism record (if there even was one) would be key (full wedding cert with parents on would too). How else might I find a parent name? Still pretty new to all this...

[rosie99]

Welcome to rootschat

According to North Wales BMD the marriage was a Civil one so would not normally be available to view online.
You really need the marriage certificate in the hope that the fathers details are entered

[ColC]

HUGHES, CATHERINE       mothers maiden name JONES 
GRO Reference: 1894  M Quarter in HOLYWELL  Volume 11B  Page 213

Colin

[rosie99]

I see that you have posted a link to a birth registration (The same one ColC has mentioned). What evidence do you have that this is your Catherine or is it just speculation

[rosie99]

The family you refer to in Whitford, Catherines date of birth does not match

HUGHES, CATHERINE  ELIZABETH     mmn ROBERTS 
GRO Reference: 1892  Sept Quarter in HOLYWELL  Volume 11B  Page 206

HUGHES, SAMUEL  HENRY     mmn ROBERTS 
GRO Reference: 1894  Dec Quarter in HOLYWELL  Volume 11B  Page 179

[ColC]

This is the Catherine you mention father Henry and brother Samuel plus other on the 1901 census at Whitford

HUGHES, CATHERINE  ELIZABETH     mmn ROBERTS 
GRO Reference: 1892  S Quarter in HOLYWELL  Volume 11B  Page 206

HUGHES, SAMUEL  HENRY     mmn ROBERTS 
GRO Reference: 1894  D Quarter in HOLYWELL  Volume 11B  Page 179

Colin

[ColC]

Sorry Rosie.

[Deirdre784]

Do you have any evidence that she was born in north Wales? I have a number of ancestors who were born across the border in Cheshire (and vice versa). The marriage certificate is the only way to go (and hope it names her father). Good luck.

[ColC]

I think trying to find a Hughes – Jones marriage may prove difficult, for example the number of births registered at Holywell mother Jones 1890 +/- 2 years was 68.

Other than the birth record the 1901 census census would help, as far as I can see there were 10 Catherine Hughes born 1894 +/- 2 years, living in the county, if she was still there.
You could check the parents marriages to see if there is a Hughes - Jones.

Colin