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Patterson and Dornans from Belfast
« on: Sunday 06 February 22 21:13 GMT (UK) »
My 3rd Great-Grandmother was Elizabeth Dornan who married my 3rd Grea-Grandfather Samuel Warnock Patterson on 04 October 1861 in Belfast Registers Office: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1861/09605/5483183.pdf 

Their marriage certificate says Samuel Warnock Patterson was from Lower Malone, Shankill, Belfast and his father was James Patterson a weaver. I don't know anything about if James had any more children other than Samuel or who James wife was or when he died. The certificate says Samuel was 25 at time of marriage so he would have been born 1835-1836.

Elizabeth was 22 and also from Lower Malone, Shankill, Belfast. Says her father was William Dornan, a farmer but I don't know anything else about William Dornan or his wife or if they had anymore children besides Elizabeth.

Samuel and Elizabeths children that I know of: Elizabeth (Born 1871), Jane Lemon Patterson (Born 1862), Sarah (Born 1873), Samuel Warnock Patterson (Born 1874) married Margaret Elizabeth Patterson from Leverogue, Drumbo. Samuel Warnock Patterson and Margaret Elizabeth Patterson are my 2nd great-grandparents.

Samuel Warnock Patterson and Elizabeth Dornan lived at 71 May Street, Belfast and he was a publican. He died of Smallpox on 24 May 1874: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1874/020663/7250598.pdf

Elizabeth Dornan remarried a Henry Marshall in 1877: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1877/11122/8071996.pdf

Elizabeth and Henry had one child, William Henry Marshall 3rd April 1878 25 Joy Street, Belfast: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02968/2087432.pdf

I would like to find out what happened to William Henry Marshall as I can find no records of him beyond his birth. I also searched Census for Pattersons in Malone and found a number of Pattersons living on the Malone Road, one in Malone Upper and one Malone Lower but two in Malone Lower and Upper were from County Tyrone.

David Patterson on Malone Upper Aged 10, grandson, born County Antrim: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Malone/Malone_Upper_part_of__rural___c_/198275/

Davids Birth record: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01999/1768929.pdf

David's parents Hugh Patterson from Malone and Martha Doran from Drumbeg, marriage 18 May 1895: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10525/5833446.pdf

The Pattersons on the Malone Road:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Cromac/Malone_Road/165478/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Cromac/Malone_Road/165480/

I am not sure if there is a connection to these Pattersons and the James and Samuel Warnock Patterson in my family but would like to find out.

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Re: Patterson and Dornans from Belfast
« Reply #1 on: Monday 14 February 22 01:18 GMT (UK) »
I was given some documents one of my grans reletives, a Patterson made when he  researched these Pattersons and his documents and his research said:

James Patterson (Weaver), father mentioned on the marriage certificate of Samuel Warnock Patterson and Elizabeth Dornan was from Ballynagarrick, Drumbo and that his son, Samuel Warnock Patterson was baptised in Drumbo Presbyterian Church on 28 December 1836 and he was born 2 December 1836 and that his mother, James Pattersons wife was a Sarah Morrow.

It seems these Pattersons were from Ballynagarrick, not Belfast and only Samuel Warnock Patterson Jr who married Elizabeth Dornan I mentioned in my first post, lived in Lower Malone then 71 May Street in Belfast.

There is no record of a Samuel Warnock Patterson in 1901 Irish Census, there is however a Warnock Patterson aged 24 living with his aunt, a 75 year old widow named Jane Lemon and they were living in Tullyard, Drumbeg: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Ballymacbrennan/Tullyard/1239383/

In 1911, Samuel Warnock Pattersons son, Samuel Warnock Patterson (Wife was Margaret Elizabeth Patterson from Leveroge, Drumbo as I mentioned in my first post) was widowed living in Tullyard, Drumbeg according to this Census record: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Ballymacbrennan/Tullyard/248539/

Could the Warnock Patterson in 1901 be the same Samuel Warnock Patterson in the 1911 census, even if the age is a few years off? Also can anyone help me with who that Jane Lemon is? In my first post I mentioned a Jane Lemon Patterson, daughter of Samuel Warnock Patterson and Elizabeth Dornan and could be named after this Jane Lemon?

An interesting thing I discovered when looking up Jane Lemon Patterson was two marriage certificates. The first is for Jane Lemon Patterson and William David McClean who were married on 29 October 1880 in Dunmurry: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1880/11048/8041205.pdf She was 18 so born 1862 and it says she is a spinster and her father was Samuel Warnock Patterson, Publican. That is the Samuel Warnock Patterson who married Elizabeth Dornan.

This later marriage certificate is for a John Wilson and a Jane Patterson on 30 January 1892 in Belfast. It sais Jane Pattersons father is also Samuel Warnock Patterson, Publican but the odd thing is that it says she is a spinster? https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10621/5869502.pdf

If this is the same Jane Patterson as the Jane Lemon Patterson, then why does it say she was a spinster when she married John Wilson?

One last thing I found. There was a Warnock Patterson living in Ballymagarrick in 1901 and had a 5 year old son, Samuel Warnock Patterson so I am assuming there could be related  to the Samuel Warnock Pattersons I mentioned above? They are from the same location where James Patterson was from when Samuel Warnock Patterson Sr was born.

This Warnock Pattersons wife was Eliza Thomson: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Drumbo/Ballymagarrick/1238893/

Warnock Patterson and Eliza Thomson marriage: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1883/10923/5990934.pdf

Is Ballynagarrick and Ballymagarrick the same townland?

Can anyone help?

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Re: Patterson and Dornans from Belfast
« Reply #2 on: Monday 14 February 22 07:44 GMT (UK) »
Could the Warnock Patterson in 1901 be the same Samuel Warnock Patterson in the 1911 census, even if the age is a few years off? Also can anyone help me with who that Jane Lemon is? In my first post I mentioned a Jane Lemon Patterson, daughter of Samuel Warnock Patterson and Elizabeth Dornan and could be named after this Jane Lemon?


Probate for Jane Lemon’s will was granted to Samuel Warnock Patterson and James Swan - both farmers
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Re: Patterson and Dornans from Belfast
« Reply #3 on: Monday 14 February 22 08:10 GMT (UK) »
I read your post last week and there is such a lot to unpick. (My concentration - not your post).
I was hoping that someone with more knowledge and access to the area would read it.

Do you have this - is it relevant? The image explains it a bit better, I think
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/details.jsp?id=11402
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Re: Patterson and Dornans from Belfast
« Reply #4 on: Monday 14 February 22 08:39 GMT (UK) »
This is better re Jane Lemon’s will. I couldn’t access it earlier.  I hope it works

https://apps.proni.gov.uk/willscalendar_ie/WillsSearchImage.aspx?id=247959


It is an image - Jane Lemon leaves the farm to her nephew Samuel Warnock Patterson and that he pays her niece Jane Lemon Patterson alias Wilson an amount of money.
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Re: Patterson and Dornans from Belfast
« Reply #5 on: Monday 14 February 22 08:41 GMT (UK) »
Starting with the two marriages-
1) 1880 Dunmurray Presbyterian Church (Jane born c1862 if age is correct)
2) 1892 Great Victoria St. Presbyterian Church, Belfast
     bride is Jane Patterson (no middle name), father Samuel W. Patterson (just middle initial)

John B. Wilson & wife Jane in 1901 with son Samuel-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Clifton_Ward__Belfast/Evelyan_Gardens/1004464/
Jane born c1863. Son Samuel's birth gives mother's maiden name as Wilson which would seem to rule them out.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01988/1765195.pdf

Checked N.I. births 1880-1894 (father- McLean, mother- Patterson) without finding any children to 1st marriage. Also unable to find a death for William McLean in Lisburn or Belfast districts (could have died elsewhere).
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Re: Patterson and Dornans from Belfast
« Reply #6 on: Monday 14 February 22 08:50 GMT (UK) »
John B. Wilson & wife Jane with sons Samuel & George in 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn/Innisfayle_Road/170917/
Son George is George Anson Wilson, mother's maiden name Wilson-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01946/1752038.pdf
Strangely enough, says John & Jane married 22 years (c1889) and only 2 children born but eldest (Samuel) not born until 1900.

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Wilson John Brown of 2 Manilla Terrace Skegoniel Avenue Belfast commercial traveller died 12 May 1925 Probate Belfast 27 January to Jane Wilson the widow. Effects £2205 3s. 6d.
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Re: Patterson and Dornans from Belfast
« Reply #7 on: Monday 14 February 22 09:04 GMT (UK) »
Death of Samuel Lemon - informant Jane of Tullyard
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05926/4682784.pdf

I can’t see a marriage to find the connection.

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Here we are - Samuel’s will - she was Jane Dornan
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/willscalendar_ie/WillsSearchImage.aspx?id=213888
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Re: Patterson and Dornans from Belfast
« Reply #8 on: Monday 14 February 22 09:04 GMT (UK) »
Wilson Jane of 161 Duncairn Gardens Belfast widow died 7 December 1940 Probate Belfast 17 January to George Wilson clerk. Effects £1134 7s. 11d.

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Belfast Newsletter, 9 Dec.1940: December 7, 1940, at her residence, Duncairn Gardens, Jane, ... John Brown Wilson. Deeply by her sorrowing Sons, George, also her Sister, ... _son, Glengormley. House and private.


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