Ellis and Geary?

[Taylor94]

I have my 5th great grandfather Henry Ellis, as born abt 1817-1819. Either Ratby or Groby. He marries Sarah Sutton 1837 Ratby. Henry is underage and his father is left blank. There is no baptism for him anywhere. He states he was born in Ratby/Groby.
In 1841 a John Ireland is living with Henry in Ratby. This John Ireland goes onto marry a Mary Anne Ellis in 1841 Groby. Mary is born according to census and marriage c1821-1823 and gives her father as 'William Ellis, Labourer'. So I thought maybe she was a sister to my Henry. John Ireland dies in 1843 and Mary Anne remarries to a George Plant in 1846 Desford, but this time she gives her father as 'William Geary, Labourer'. She gives her birthplace as 'Narborough' on other census records.
There is no baptism for a Mary Ann Geary or a Mary Anne Ellis in Narborough or Groby/Ratby with a father called William fitting.
But there is a marriage in Ratby 1822 between a William Geary and Sarah Ellis, both appear to have been born c1790s, and Sarah maybe near Stoke Golding although I can see no baptism there for her.
I can see William and Sarah Geary living in Ratby/Groby in 1841 alongside a daughter Mary (Perhaps Mary Ellis?) and a son Charles born 1830.

Is it possible that Mary Anne and Henry are illegitimate children of this Sarah and were not baptised?

Other post concerning Henry. https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=792972.msg6494622#msg6494622

[ciderdrinker]

Good Morning

Children for William and Geary baptised Ratby
John 31.12.1824 lab
Sussanna 29.2.1828
Charles 3.5.1830
Ann 8.6.1834
George 4.3.1838

So no Mary
It looks like 1851 Groby Market Bosworth
Sarah Geary widow on parish relief 56 Ratby
George 12 farmers boy Groby

It really does look as though Mary and Henry are Sarah's children from before her marriage .Everything does seem to fit.

Ciderdrinker

[Taylor94]

Thank you for this Ciderdrinker.

The no baptisms for both of them may indicate siblings as well as marrying the lodger of Henry.
I couldn't understand why there wasn't a baptism for either of them, so I think they are most likely illegitimate, especially how Henry doesn't list a father on his marriage record.

I confused another Sarah Geary, this Sarah who marries William Geary, appears to have been born (or at least states she was) in Ratby. There is no baptism for her but the only family baptising in this period there is John Ellis of Ibstock and Mary Mawly of Ratby who marry in 1788. I had come across this pair before in thinking that they were ancestors of my Henry. Interestingly this John Ellis (Given he is 'Of Ibstock'), appears to be an illegitimate son of John Ulrich Sultzer, Gentleman and Surveyor, and a Dorothy Ellis.

Although some trees (Which I don't give much stock to) give Henry as a son of John Ellis of Ratby and Sarah Wells who marry in 1817. I can see no reason to suspect this and this would give no reason as to why Henry would leave his fathers name blank on marriage and not have a baptism. Either way this John Ellis would appear to still be a son of John Ellis of Ibstock and Mary Mawley of Ratby.