Hyman/James/Stephany

[Annmartin]

Hello
I have been tracing my paternal ancestry for some time, and am completely stuck.  My great great grandmother was Ellen Hyman (although she was Ellen James on her marriage certificate).  her mother was Louisa Hyman, but I cannot find any trace of her birth, but it is believed that somewhere along the lines, names were changed.  I also believe they were travellers. 
Ellen's dad was recorded as John James on her marriage certificate, although there was no father recorded on her birth certificate, but I believe her dad may have been a married traveller who went by the name of William Michael Kelly. 
If any of this sounds familiar to anybody, I would love to hear from you.
I hvae asked several members of the family, who do not know a lot, or if they do, are not giving anything away.

[rosie99]

Hello
I have been tracing my paternal ancestry for some time, and am completely stuck.  My great great grandmother was Ellen Hyman (although she was Ellen James on her marriage certificate).  her mother was Louisa Hyman, but I cannot find any trace of her birth,

Could we have some dates and places please 

[Annmartin]

Ahh sorry yes.
I believe Louisa Hyman was born in 1862, although this has not been confirmed.  Somewhere in London I assume.  Her daughter Ellen was born 26 June 1883 at Union Infirmary in Battersea.  Mother named as Louisa Hyman.
Ellen Hyman (James)  married Benjamin Hewlett on October 29th 1900.  Everything else is just what I have been told by family members, that is not confirmed.  I have been unable to trace Louisa, althugh there are a couple of options on Ancestry. 
I was told that Louisa married John Richard Masters in 1885, and I have found this marriage on Ancestry.  She also supposedly married John James in Oct 1888, but I cannot find any evidence of this at all.  I have also been told that she married Thomas Inglis on 7th May 1900, but she signed herself as Louise James on her daughters marriage certificate in October of the same year. 
I am by no means a beginner to family research, but it's safe to say, I am totally stuck.  I think I have looked at this family for so long, that I am now so confused. 
I have ordered Ellen's full birth certificate to see if it gives any more information that the PDF copy, but I am very impatient. and thought I would see if anyone has come across this family in their searches.  I am grateful for any help anyone can give me.

[rosie99]

I was told that Louisa married John Richard Masters in 1885, and I have found this marriage on Ancestry.  She also supposedly married John James in Oct 1888, but I cannot find any evidence of this at all.  I have also been told that she married Thomas Inglis on 7th May 1900, but she signed herself as Louise James on her daughters marriage certificate in October of the same year. 

I have ordered Ellen's full birth certificate to see if it gives any more information that the PDF copy,

What information does the marriage certificate give
Age 21, Father John Hyman occupation Feather Curler

The PDF copy of a birth certificate is the full certificate.

[rosie99]

I believe Louisa Hyman was born in 1862, although this has not been confirmed.  Somewhere in London I assume.  Her daughter Ellen was born 26 June 1883 at Union Infirmary in Battersea.  Mother named as Louisa Hyman.

Baptism at Battersea for an Ellen Hyman with that date of birth gives parents as William and Ellen Hyman, other child William Michael Hyman baptised the same day 24th March 1884 - address 12 New Eltringham Street

[rosie99]

William and Ellen are with a John & Fanny Hyman in 1891 at Fentons Cottages, Garratt Lane, Wandsworth
RG12/ 449
Folio 31
Page 6

[Annmartin]

Thank you
This is the information I have found.  The DOB do not match up, and I cannot find who Fanny Hyman is.  This is the information I have for the marriage. 
Name:   Ellen James
Gender:   Female
Marriage Age:   18
Record Type:   Marriage
Birth Date:   abt 1882
Marriage Date:   29 Oct 1900
Marriage Place:   St Andrew, Earlsfield, Wandsworth, England
Father:   
John James
Spouse:   
Benjamin Hewlett
Register Type:   Parish Register
The address was 18 Jubliee Cottages, Garratt Lane in Wandsworth

[Annmartin]

In 1901, Louisa James was registered as living at 18 Jubilee Cottages, Garratt Lane in Wandsworth, she was widowed, and Thomas Inglis was registered as  a visitor
Name:   Louisa James
Age:   39
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1862
Relation to Head:   Wife
Gender:   Female
Birth Place:   Vauxhall, Surrey, England
Civil Parish:   Wandsworth
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Ecclesiastical parish:   St Andrew
County/Island:   London
Country:   England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District:   Wandsworth
Sub-registration District:   Wandsworth
ED, institution, or vessel:   45
Neighbors:   View others on page
Piece:   487
Folio:   31
Page Number:   15
Household Schedule Number:   90
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Louisa James   39
William James   22
Kate James   16
John James   14
Caroline James   12
Charles James   6
Thomas Ingles   42

[Jonestree]

Hello AnnMartin
I have been researching my brother in law's family and his grandfather was William Hyman (born about 1881 in Wandsworth) and from what I can see he is the William Hyman brother of Ellen Hyman (James).  William married Mary Cogan and their daughter was my brother in law's mother, Mary.  He was always confused about his birth certificate because his mother's maiden name on it was James - even though he thought her maiden name was Mary Hyman.  I can see why you are confused as I came to a standstill trying to find out more about William Hyman's family.  In 1891 they are living at 18 Fentons Cottages, Garratt Lane and in 1901 the childrens' names are more or less the same but the address is now 18 Jubilee Cottages, Garratt Lane.  Whereas John Hyman and Fanny were the parents in 1891 it is Louisa in 1901.  It is all very muddled and the question is if and why did they change their name to James.  Just thought I'd let you know that I have a similar enigma.
Kind regards