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Offline lebelge12

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Who is this coat of arms from?
« on: Friday 22 April 22 04:26 BST (UK) »
This , coat of arms has the Chief of the Stirling Clan shield with moon representing second son in one of the inner shields, with another unidentified Coat of arms.

Can any ony help identifiying?

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Re: Who is this coat of arms from?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 22 April 22 10:51 BST (UK) »
hello.. The quartering indicates a marriage between families with the wife's family being the other crest. Usually part of the marriage contract. Haven't been able to identify which family this is but if you can identify dates you could follow clan chief's back to get a clue...
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Clan_Stirling

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Re: Who is this coat of arms from?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 April 22 21:51 BST (UK) »
The other quartering may be associated with Crawfurd.

I think it should be tricked as
Gules, a fess ermine between three mullets argent.

What does the motto say? That may help track it down.

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Re: Who is this coat of arms from?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 02 May 22 04:27 BST (UK) »
I agree with the suggestion that this may be a piece of wedding silver and both families have been identified, but the arms have been read the wrong way round.  The male is a Crawfurd and the wife is the daughter of a second son of the house of Stirling.(*)
Does the silver have a readable date mark as this would provide some clue to the period of the marriage ?

(*) Scottish heraldry has different rules regarding the use of marks of cadency. If I understand correctly the cadency mark was removed once the father of the holder died. If this is correct then the wife's arms would only be shown with the Crescent of cadency during the lifetime of her grandfather, which should narrow the date range still further.

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Baron (of Blackburn), Chadwick (Oswaldtwistle), Watkins (Swansea), Jones (x3 Swansea), Colton (Shropshire), Knight (Shropshire/Montgomery) , Bullen (Norfolk), White (Dorset)


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Re: Who is this coat of arms from?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 02 May 22 20:24 BST (UK) »
What does the motto say? That may help track it down.

Top left: S***LARE (SINCLARE?) (can't read it)
Top right: GANG FORWARD

(ADDED: "Gang Forward" is the Clan Stirling motto)
Please help me to help you by citing sources for information.

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Re: Who is this coat of arms from?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 04 May 22 06:50 BST (UK) »
Little Nell and Philip,
It is a bit hard to read in the picture but I think it is "Sine labe lacebit". This appears to be the motto of Crawford (sic) of Carsburn, as shown in Robson's "The British Herald", who also have the crest of a Crescent (although Robson says the Crescent is charged with a Star.)

Robson records the domicile of this branch of the Crawfords as "Carsburn" but it seems more often spelt "Cartsburn" and there is an informative entry in Wikipedia under that heading.

I think we have got our families. We just need to find the marriage.

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Baron (of Blackburn), Chadwick (Oswaldtwistle), Watkins (Swansea), Jones (x3 Swansea), Colton (Shropshire), Knight (Shropshire/Montgomery) , Bullen (Norfolk), White (Dorset)