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Baptisms of Adults
« on: Wednesday 04 May 22 22:45 BST (UK) »
Hi  Everyone
   I'm just curious if anyone else knows or has seen baptismal certs for people who were christened as Adults.  I have from the BDA Index BYRNE, WILLIAM b before 1810 B#32021093801.

1827 William Byrne, Aged [Adult] Baptised 26 June 1827 at Appin Registered at St. Mary's Biog Item 320210938.

On the NSW BDM it has two entries for a William BYRNE b 1827.  I don't know if this is my particular William BYRNE but curious as to why and adult would be baptised.  Many thanks regards Dianna

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« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 04 May 22 23:43 BST (UK) »
Hi  Everyone
   I'm just curious if anyone else knows or has seen baptismal certs for people who were christened as Adults.  I have from the BDA Index BYRNE, WILLIAM b before 1810 B#32021093801.

1827 William Byrne, Aged [Adult] Baptised 26 June 1827 at Appin Registered at St. Mary's Biog Item 320210938.

On the NSW BDM it has two entries for a William BYRNE b 1827.  I don't know if this is my particular William BYRNE but curious as to why and adult would be baptised.  Many thanks regards Dianna

There is no reason to stop an adult seeking to be baptised.  Some denominations in fact, do not baptise children - Baptists is an example.

It is very likely the two entries listed at NSW BDM are for the one event.  Back in 1810, the then governor of NSW, Lachlan Macquarie, issued a general order requiring the clergy to provide information on the baptisms and burials that they performed.  He did not provide funding for the clergy to undertake those responsibilities, so the general orders were not treated as significant as the Ecclesiastical laws for each denomination.   So a record of a baptism in Appin would likely be recorded in a church register in Appin AND that clergyman would likely TRANSMIT a record of that baptism (and all the other baptisms, burials, marriages he conducted within that Quarter) to his Diocese head in Sydney (various titles depending on denomination).  There are instances of ceremonies conducted by clergy of one denomination, and the transmitted entry carried by clergy of another denomination, so that the event is then lodged with the NSW Chaplain at St Philips, Sydney (C of E). 

Sometimes there can be FIVE transmitted entries for the one event,  othertimes - none, all have been lost over time. 

https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/births-deaths-and-marriages-registers-1787-1856

One of my ancestors was born in the Hawkesbury District in 1800s, father a soldier.  That baby's baptism is listed at NSW BDM 5 times.  The next baby, (as per Musters, family private papers including correspondence sent to Scotland within months of the birth, and Pay Lists) - NOT EVEN ONE index entry at NSW BDM.   

1820s, one of my ancestors was baptised as a child in the Wesleyan rites, at Parramatta.  That ancestor's baptism is also recorded as a "TRANSMITTAL" at St Philips, Sydney.  So, a "Methodist" baptism in a C of E register.    A careful inspection of St Johns C of E Parramatta, may show transmitted records in the years prior to about 1830ish.   

One of my husbands ancestors was not baptised as a child (neither were any of that child's siblings), but as an adult they went through a full Adult Baptism as part of their religious practices with the Baptist Union of NSW. 

JM

ADD - the reason Lachlan Macquarie needed to know how many baptisms, burials had occurred in the colony in any quarter - FUNDING...  Whitehall sent funding based on per capita ...  without that funding it is very likely that  much of the 1810-1820 built environment in Sydney, or the expedition over the Blue Mountains in 1813, or Port Macquarie, or Newcastle, would not have happened.
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Re: Baptisms of Adults
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 05 May 22 00:02 BST (UK) »
If you check NSW BDM online index for 'births' using ONLY the following:
Family Name :  *   (the wild card option)
Father's name :  ADULT

and then the dates 01/01/1787 to 31/12/1856   there's seven pages of adult baptisms

and then try the same but instead of Father's name, use the Mother's name dialogue box  and put ADULT there's another three pages of adult baptisms.

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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 05 May 22 00:04 BST (UK) »
Hi JM many thanks for your reply.  As you have mentioned on a few occasions with the multiple entries in the BDM for Baptisms etc I found the same the other day with one of mine Winifred Byrne entered 5? Times.  Wow.  I'm certain they are for the same person though. Amazing.

I may have to order that certificate just to see what it say's for William.  May not been connected to my lot but who knows.  Lot's of them (The Byrnes) were living in Campbelltown, Appin??  Bargo etc.

Great to learn also about the why's and wherefores of the administration/Governors at that time period as my research is mainly for the period 1800-1827, Sydney and onwards.  Regards Dianna





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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 05 May 22 00:05 BST (UK) »
I will check what you have suggested re NSW BDM using wild card + Adult.  Love learning anything new.  Many thanks

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 05 May 22 00:09 BST (UK) »
Yes, Baptists feel that a person should know and understand the reason for Baptism .
A child ,especially a baby ,would not be able to do that.
In addition Baptists believe in total immersion ,so again not something to do to a child or baby.
John The Baptist baptised Jesus as an adult ,in the River Jordan .
The reason for infant baptisms is that the belief grew,in the Catholic Church ,
that an unbaptised child that died in infancy would not go to heaven but remain in Limbo for all eternity .
Hence the wholesale baptisms of all infants ,even when Protestantism became
another branch of Christianity ,great superstition is or was attached to it. .
It was thought babies did not thrive until baptised.
My Mother in Law thought that ,she was quite surprised when my first baby gained 8 ounces in his first week,unbaptised as yet.
Beliefs become superstitions over time.
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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 05 May 22 00:14 BST (UK) »
OKAY DID That with the Wildcard etc.  Now that is interesting as William BYRNE does not come up doing it that way BUT comes up when you use his full name.  Hmmm! Interesting! Dianna

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 05 May 22 01:30 BST (UK) »
The few adult baptisms that I have come across seemed to be related to a forthcoming church marriage.
I imagine that was not always the case, or if it applies to your man.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Baptisms of Adults
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 05 May 22 01:45 BST (UK) »
HI Neale that's interesting.  Well this William BYRNE (my GG Grandfather) was married in 1826!  Catholic.  As he was born in 1806 when there are no actual baptismal records (surviving) even if performed by Father Dixon!  I thought it maybe him!!!  Really interesting though.

I know I was 8 when I was baptised, not sure why, my mother never gave me a clear explanation of that!!!