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Letterkenny Workhouse/Ann Kelly
« on: Friday 20 May 22 01:43 BST (UK) »
Hello, I am looking for information on Ann Kelly born around 1829. She was in a Donegal workhouse and probably in Letterkenny. She was sent as a Orphan Famine girl to Port Philip in what is Melbourne in Australia. I have all the information I need of her in Australia. I need information about her in Ireland. She has a very common name.
A letter she sent on arrival in Australia to her mother indicates she was in the Letterkenny workhouse. On Ann's marriage and death certificates she is called Mary Kelly. On the death certificate it states her mother was Jane formerly Sweeney and then Hetty. Ann or Mary married Edward Joseph Bedford in 1850 in Melbourne area. Edward was from Dublin. The letter Ann sent to her mother states it's for Mary Sweeney. In the letter Ann sends her love to her brother John and sister Margaret. I do not know what their last names are.
I saw online that the Letterkenny workhouse has digitized their records, but they are not available online. They are only available at the Letterkenny workhouse museum. I wonder if Ann Kelly is mentioned in minute books when she was chosen to go to Australia.  I live in the USA and do not know when I will be able to travel to Ireland.
I am wondering if Ann's full name was Ann Mary Kelly. Perhaps her mother was Mary Jane Sweeney since Ann was called Ann when she left Ireland. Ann traveled on Lady Kennaway in September 1848 from Plymouth to Port Phillip in what is now Victoria. She was employed with Dr. John Patterson in Melbourne.
I would like to know of any birth or christening record for Ann Mary Kelly. She was Roman Catholic, but I do not know if she was born in Donegal. Her death certificate (1897) states she was from Donegal. Like with so many other famine orphan girls, it is my understanding they did not talk much about where they were from or Ireland. Probably because of some stigma having been in the workhouses.
Than you so much for reading this and I know this is complicated.
Hera

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Re: Letterkenny Workhouse/Ann Kelly
« Reply #1 on: Friday 20 May 22 07:50 BST (UK) »
It was normal for the Poor Law Union to look after it’s own residents.  In other words if Mary Kelly was in Letterkenny Poor Law Union, there’s a high probability she had lived there for many years and was probably born in that area.

The problem you face in tracing Mary’s birth is that very few RC parishes in Co Donegal have any records for the 1820s. The parish around Letterkenny is Conwal and its records don’t start till 1853, so the chances of finding a record of her birth are pretty low.

Here’s some information on Letterkenny workhouse.

https://www.workhouses.org.uk/Letterkenny/

From this source it looks as though the admission records pre 1864 have not survived. They do have the Board of Guardians minutes from 1841 onwards.  The Board of Guardians met weekly and their minutes contain the normal sort of details you might expect to find in any organisation ie approval of expenditure on food, wages, repairs etc, dealing with management issues, analyzing the numbers in the workhouse (and on outdoor relief), the numbers in the hospital, general health issues etc. Occasionally inmates are mentioned by name – often if they did something notable eg fighting or coming home drunk, if allowed out for the day – but mostly it’s focused on the management aspects rather than the details of each individual resident. I couldn’t rule out that you might find a list of those selected for one of the emigration programmes, but it might equally just say: “X number were selected for Australia and are to depart on Y date.”

I looked for deaths with the surname Hetty in the Letterkenny area 1864 – 1901 but did not find any at all. There isn’t anyone in Ireland in 1901 with the surname Hetty so I suspect that may have got garbled over the years. Not sure what the correct version might be. (Could it be Kelly mistranscribed?).

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Re: Letterkenny Workhouse/Ann Kelly
« Reply #2 on: Friday 20 May 22 09:12 BST (UK) »
Further to Elwyn's comments-


The problem you face in tracing Mary’s birth is that very few RC parishes in Co Donegal have any records for the 1820s. The parish around Letterkenny is Conwal and its records don’t start till 1853, so the chances of finding a record of her birth are pretty low.


Conwal and Leck (Letterkenny)
Diocese of Raphoe | County of Donegal
Variant forms of parish name:
Templedouglas
Letterkenny
Glenswilly

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1012

Conwal civil parish
 https://www.townlands.ie/donegal/conwal/

Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo

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Re: Letterkenny Workhouse/Ann Kelly
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 21 May 22 08:04 BST (UK) »
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I saw online that the Letterkenny workhouse has digitized their records, but they are not available online. They are only available at the Letterkenny workhouse museum.

Link-
https://www.donegalcoco.ie/culture/countymuseum/

Here's a map of the site of the workhouse 1887-1913.
National Townland and Historical Map Viewer (Historic 25" map).
Union Workhouse on the Kilmacrenan Road.
https://arcg.is/18iC4m2

Edited to Add:
Further information-
Poor Law Union / Boards of Guardians, 1840-1923
https://www.donegalcoco.ie/culture/archives/countyarchivescollection/poorlawunionboardsofguardians1840-1923/
Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo


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Re: Letterkenny Workhouse/Ann Kelly
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 21 May 22 20:51 BST (UK) »
Hello and thank you everyone. This information is very helpful in my research.
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Re: Letterkenny Workhouse/Ann Kelly
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 13 July 22 13:59 BST (UK) »
Thank you. You are right the name is Kelly.
Hera

I looked for deaths with the surname Hetty in the Letterkenny area 1864 – 1901 but did not find any at all. There isn’t anyone in Ireland in 1901 with the surname Hetty so I suspect that may have got garbled over the years. Not sure what the correct version might be. (Could it be Kelly mistranscribed?).
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Re: Letterkenny Workhouse/Ann Kelly
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 13 July 22 14:08 BST (UK) »
Thank you. You are right the name is Kelly.
Hera

I looked for deaths with the surname Hetty in the Letterkenny area 1864 – 1901 but did not find any at all. There isn’t anyone in Ireland in 1901 with the surname Hetty so I suspect that may have got garbled over the years. Not sure what the correct version might be. (Could it be Kelly mistranscribed?).
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Nice to know my hunch was right.
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Re: Letterkenny Workhouse/Ann Kelly
« Reply #7 on: Friday 25 November 22 11:04 GMT (UK) »

Here's a map of the site of the workhouse 1887-1913.
National Townland and Historical Map Viewer (Historic 25" map).
Union Workhouse on the Kilmacrenan Road.
https://arcg.is/18iC4m2


Now OSi National Townland and Historical Map Viewer-
MapGenie 25 Inch (1887-1913)
https://arcg.is/1W0LnO0


Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo