Last person I don't have for 7th generation!

[airsle]

Hoping you guys can help, this is the last person I don't have for the 7th generation for my husband - I'm trying to get a bit of research in while I can as my subscription on myheritage runs out tomorrow but have got stuck on this person for that generation!

So I have Ellen Clements (Born Circa 1870 Monmouthshire) who married John Challenger (B Oct 1871 Monmouthshire) in 1895 in Monmouthshire.

I am looking for Ellen's mother - I have Ellen in the 1901 and 1911 census records but none from before marriage. I have her father as John Clements from the Wales Parish marriage and banns.

I just can't find her or her parents in census records..

I can see for 1871 there is a record for Ellen Clements with a mum being Hanora Regan who is clements in 1881 however in GRO there is no Ellen Clements born with a MMN Regan nor an Ellen Regan with MMN Regan and there is no marriage between a John Clements and Hanora Regan that I can see.

I'd appreciate any help you can give! Do let me know if any more information is needed.

Thank you

[PaulineJ]

What names witness the 1895 marriage?
If you haven't seen the original, then purchase it.

Pauline

1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7P4-8KD

1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9TG-W5W

There's a familysearch record implying a different birth surname for ellen

What 1871 and 1881 record are you looking at?

[trish1120]

1881 we have;
Hanora Clements 34 Head Widow born Cork, Ireland
Elizabeth Clements   13
Catherine Clements   11
Ellen Clements   9 Daug*****
Mary Clements   8
Hanora Clements 7
Dennis Regan   28 Brother born Pontypool
Ellen Regan   33 Sister

Trish





CLEMMENTS, ELLEN  mmn    RIGGINS 
GRO Reference: 1870  J Quarter in NEWPORT  Volume 11A  Page 210

CLEMENTS, CATHERINE mmn ROGEN 
GRO Reference: 1869  M Quarter in NEWPORT  Volume 11A  Page 211


CLEMENTS, HONORA  mmn   REGAN 
GRO Reference: 1873  S Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 157

[trish1120]

Just posting for those trying to help.

1871 Census
Ellen Regan 52   Head
Honora Regan 20 Daughter
Denis Regan 14   Son
Ellen Regan 11 Daughter
Daniel Regan 10   Son
Elizabeth Clements 3   Granddaughter
Catherine Clements 2   Granddaughter
Ellen Clements 1 Granddaughter*****

[trish1120]

John Clements/Honora REGAN married 1873, reg is on FreeBMD

[airsle]

John Clements/Honora REGAN married 1873, reg is on FreeBMD

Ooh then the one I'm looking at might be the right person then, I just had the name misspelled!

[airsle]

What names witness the 1895 marriage?
If you haven't seen the original, then purchase it.

Pauline

1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7P4-8KD

1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9TG-W5W

There's a familysearch record implying a different birth surname for ellen

What 1871 and 1881 record are you looking at?

Hi Pauline,
I do already have her in the 1911 census and 1901

As for the marriage certificate - no I haven't seen the original and at the moment we've had to cut back on all unnecessary expenses (hence not renewing the subscription tomorrow) as I have just had a baby.

A different birth surname for Ellen? How strange! I am struggling to find her birth under Regan or Clements though so maybe.. but not sure how I'd find it. That's part of why I dismissed her mother as Honora!

These were the census records I was looking at:

https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10153-21360116/ellen-clements-in-1871-england-wales-census

https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10154-53425250/ellen-clements-in-1881-england-wales-census

[trish1120]

Regan with an Irish accent may have been hard for the registrar to understand.
Births all seem to line up though with 1881 Census.

This may be birth reg for Daniel/Ellen from 1871 Census;

REGAN, DANIEL  mmn SULLIVAN 
GRO Reference: 1859  J Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 143

REGAN, ELLEN mmn SULLIVAN 
GRO Reference: 1859  J Quarter in NEWPORT  Volume 11A  Page 183

+

REGAN, DENIS mmn    SULLIVAN 
GRO Reference: 1854  S Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 134

Cant see the Family in 1861 though!

[PaulineJ]

airsle,

It's all very well telling us you "have" a record, but unless you give a URL of some sort, then we don't know WHICH record you are looking at.

Trish, There's a big lump of census missing for 1861 in Monmouth. May well be in there...

Pauline