At the time of his death

[CaroleW]

Marriages March qtr 1878   
Quelch    Mary Jane         Wantage    2c   461      
SMITH    Richard        

SMITH, MARGARET  JANE Mother's Maiden Surname     QUELCH     
GRO Reference: 1892  S Quarter in WANTAGE  Volume 02C  Page 289

SMITH, GERTRUDE  MARY      QUELCH     
GRO Reference: 1884  M Quarter in WANTAGE  Volume 02C  Page 310

[asley1]

Thank you that is so interesting, I've never known my  great grandmother maiden name.
Or anything about them. Mum didn't ever talk about her family.on one occasion she said she was 10  when her father died . I never meet my grandmother but did see her sisters and one brother
And some family but can't remember them really
Thank you so much.. I shell enjoy my Sunday outing to Yattenton where I believe some of my relatives are buried.

[CaroleW]

Is any occupation shown on the 1925 death cert?

[asley1]

It looks like he was a brickmaker / Joineryman

[CaroleW]

I don’t think John Scrivener was born in Berkshire.  A tree on Ancestry has him born Stepney Middlesex but they have him as John J so I’m not convinced.

The 1911 has a John J Scrivener b Stepney but he was a merchants clerk living with relatives in Middlsex

There is an 1881 entry for a John Scrivener b Reading 1875 - parents Philip & Mary  But his birth reg shows him as John Edward

It would be an idea to look him up on the 1921 census to determine his birthplace

[asley1]

Thank you so much for the wonderful help
I've found a note saying he was born in Wantage berks
Will look on the census when I return home next week

[CaroleW]

He was 48 when he died in 1925 so born approx 1877.

He married & lived in Wantage but the only birth reg in Berks is the mentioned above - John Edward b 1874 Reading.  If he was b Wantage - his birth registration would have been in the Wantage reg district

He was 35 when he married - I wonder if he was previously married?

In 1911 Gertrude Smith aged 27 is with parents Richard & Jane - her birthplace is shown as Hampstead Norris Berks

[CaroleW]

Just found him in 1911

John Scrivener 36 single occ brick maker b London - in lodgings in Hampstead Norris.  So he is not the John J Scrivener b Stepney as shown on that family tree as that John was in London in 1911

You may need to buy a copy of the 1912 marriage cert to find his fathers name.  If the 1921 census gives a more specific birthplace than just London - that may help to find him on earlier censuses

[Comberton]

Sorry no help from 1921
Hampstead Norris
John Scrivens 1874 no birthplace given on index
Gertrude M 1884
Elsie P 1912
Gladys I 1913
Ivy A 1915
Albert J 1920
all others born Hermitage, Berkshire