Alice Dutton abt 1851 Birmingham

[jennyrob]

Need help to find out more about Alice Dutton born abt 1851 so Censuses say
She was  born in Birmingham abt 1851  and was with Alfred John Moss on 1891 census

Cant find marriage cert

They had  8 of his children

 Most of the children I could find on GRO had mothers name Dutton 

They lived mainly in South Wales but it looks like their first child was born Radstock Somerset Alfred Moss abt 1875
 I cant find him or parents before 1891 when the family were living in Cwmdu Bridgend
Father John1853 Wiltshire  was a coal miner

Two Alice Duttons  were born around that time in Birmingham  one abt 1851 with mothers surname Albert which I believe was Allbutt

 Edgar a gunmaker and Elizabeth Allbut Dutton lived in Birmingham but cant find them with children and I cant find the other one with mothers name Stone
Stuck

[CaroleW]

She is with John Moss in all censuses - not Alfred John.  Alfred John was their son

1891 she is 36 - birthyear 1855

1901 she is 44 x birthyear 1857

1911 she is 59 - birthyear 1852

In 1891 there are 2 sons both called Alfred - aged 16 b Radstock & aged 6 b Mountain Ash.  Suspect one is an error

[CaroleW]

Strange - in 1881 there is an Alice Sutton b Birmingham 1849 living in Glamorgan with husband William.  Very poor quality image but one of her childrens births shows mmn Richards.  No Sutton/Richards marriage

[jennyrob]

Do you think this could be Alice's Parents

[jennyrob]

I thought it was Alfred John as I got 1921 Census and started from there

Alfred John 1850 from Highworth Wiltshire Retired Colliery Roadman living Commercial Street Sengehennydd living with Alice Maud abt 1853 Birmingham along with grandson William Henry LLewelyn

[jennyrob]

Just looked William and Alice up they were still together in 1891 living in Swansea as Suttons

[Annette7]

I agree Edgar seemed a good bet for her father BUT an Alice Dutton aged 3 died in Dec.qtr.1854 Birmingham which I think is probably Edgar's daughter.  (Edgar a widower in 1861, no Alice with him, wife died 1852 and he remarried to a Jane Mary Box in 1862 and no Alice with them in 1871). The other Alice (b.1850 mmn Stone) I think could be the one who died Jun.qtr.1858 Birmingham aged 8.

Definitely something weird going on here.  Absence on 1881 census, no marriage, no birth entry for dau. Jane Maria.  No sign of Alice with surname Dutton in 1861 or 1871, no sign as Moss in 1881.

Annette

 

[jennyrob]

Summed it up brilliantly Thanks

 Stumped I did note on 1911 census on Find my past it says Alice Moss was unmarried but on Ancestry she is married The first born  Alfred Moss was born 1875 Radstock Somerset so I have been looking there too    

MOSS, JOSEPH  ALFRED     GREEN 
GRO Reference: 1874  D Quarter in KEYNSHAM  Volume 05C  Page 647
Could this be him

[CaroleW]

Stumped I did note on 1911 census on Find my past it says Alice Moss was unmarried but on Ancestry she is married

The 1911 was completed by the people themselves - not an enumerator - & shows Alice & John as married for 36yrs