barony map?

[Ghostwheel]

Can anyone explain to me what this reference on logainm.ie means?

BM:AL
Barony Map ex Ainmleabhar Paróiste na Suirbhéireachta Ordanáis / Ordnance Survey Parish Namebook Bliain foilsithe: 1830-40

Is it a physical map that they made during the Ordnance Survey?  (around 1830-1840)  Or just a list of placenames?  Or some reference to something that the Ordnance Survey noted in other, older materials?

And how would one view it?

[Sinann]

Think it's these
https://timeline.ie/the-ordnance-survey-name-books/

[Ghostwheel]

I've found the location on the map at AskaboutIreland, and hit "show namebooks", and it doesn't show up, though some nearby locations do. 

I've also tried to find it by typing the spelling, both modern (with and without space), and the particular reference that I was hoping to find.

I tried to find it by browsing, but failed on my initial attempt, but then I thought of a better technique.

I went to Irishtownlands.ie, found the parish, and found a townland with a simple spelling that came before the one I was looking for alphabetically.

I found a printed reference of the spelling, which is one thing I was looking for, but next to it, it said "barony map", without any year.  I was hoping to look at the original.

This area survives for the Down Survey, but it seems to almost definitely be a reference to something else, as the spelling is notably different.   I would guess they were looking at an old map, though not as old as the Down Survey.

[Wexflyer]

Can anyone explain to me what this reference on logainm.ie means?

BM:AL
Barony Map ex Ainmleabhar Paróiste na Suirbhéireachta Ordanáis / Ordnance Survey Parish Namebook Bliain foilsithe: 1830-40

Is it a physical map that they made during the Ordnance Survey?  (around 1830-1840)  Or just a list of placenames?  Or some reference to something that the Ordnance Survey noted in other, older materials?

And how would one view it?

Um, why not contact the authors at logainm.ie, and ask them directly? They have a contact address on their web page.

[Ghostwheel]

The notes in Logainm.ie's entries, while useful, are so often cryptic and confusing that I did not hope for a clarification from them.  (why not explain it in the first case?)  I also wish they had a submission form, where people could easily add notes that others could see, if they so chose.

I actually sent an email to OSI.  Ordnance Survey of Ireland.  (they sell old maps)  Don't know if I'll get a reply, but they haven't had much time to reply.  Will post back, if they explain it.

My theory right now is that it is some old map that the Ordnance Survey used, but which they couldn't date and which was later destroyed or lost.

[Wexflyer]

The notes in Logainm.ie's entries, while useful, are so often cryptic and confusing that I did not hope for a clarification from them.  (why not explain it in the first case?)  I also wish they had a submission form, where people could easily add notes that others could see, if they so chose.

I actually sent an email to OSI.  Ordnance Survey of Ireland.  (they sell old maps)  Don't know if I'll get a reply, but they haven't had much time to reply.  Will post back, if they explain it.

My theory right now is that it is some old map that the Ordnance Survey used, but which they couldn't date and which was later destroyed or lost.

You are prejudging the folks at logainm.ie  Personally, I would at least give them a chance to explain their own reference before dismissing them out of hand.

As for the Ordnance Survey, you are expecting them to know/understand what the logainm folks are referencing or are trying to describe. Given the vast amount of archival material at the OSI, they may not - most staff are concerned with current mapping, not 1830s material...

[Wexflyer]

For what it is worth, my guess is that an OS parish namebook used a Down Survey barony map as a source for a placename. Or alternatively, a grand jury barony map. i.e. pre-existing maps.

[Ghostwheel]

Well, I'll see what they say. 

The form is fed into an historical department, focused on supplying extracts of old maps to customers, so if anyone knows (I don't have a big hope of it), I would suppose that they have a pretty good chance of it.  Hence they were my first pick.

Logainm.ie strikes me as being more focused on lexicography, than maps or history per say.  I'm not averse to trying them.  I've actually spoken to them before, and they gave me a pretty good answer on lexicography.

But I don't want to spam all these different departments, if one can serve.  Therefore, I am prepared to wait.

One thing that is positive that I will say for logainm is that they suggest similar-sounding places.  A rare feature among these websites where placenames are utilized.

BTW, it is definitely not from the Down Survey.  I believe they specify that one, but I did look at it, as already mentioned, and the name differs markedly.

[Wexflyer]

There are several very good published studies/histories of the OSI in the period in question (and of the entire history of cartography in Ireland). Such as A Paper Landscape,  by J.H. Andrews, an academic who specialized in the history of cartography in Ireland. Highly recommend if you are interested.

My recollection is that the OSI maps were generated on a county basis and grid divisions thereof (the numbered maps familiar from Griffith's Valuation), but not barony.