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Graveyards in Strathaven
« on: Tuesday 19 July 22 10:43 BST (UK) »
Hello there. I wonder if anyone might be able to clear up some confusion of mine. I have several ancestors mentioned in an extracted document called "Avondale Deaths", the burials being mid-19th century with entries such as "interd below the stone." and "interred in the 1".

Looking around, I see references to a "Strathaven Old Cemetery", a "Strathaven New Cemetery" and an "Avondale Churchyard". Does anyone who has worked with "Avondale Deaths" (which I think reflects entries also contained in ScotlandsPeople OPR deaths in Avondale) know which cemetery these entries would be referring to, and also what is the distinction between the three cemeteries mentioned above?

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Re: Graveyards in Strathaven
« Reply #1 on: Monday 08 August 22 22:28 BST (UK) »
Hello Ewan,

There's a Facebook group 'Historic Strathaven' that may be worth joining if you have questions about the town. 

The only cemetery I know is the one with the war memorial at Kirkhill and both the 'Old' and 'New' cemeteries may be there, just in different sections.

I'm not aware of 'Avondale Churchyard' but can check with relatives who live in the area and see if they have an answer.

Info on South Lanarkshire Council:  https://www.southlanarkshire.gov.uk/directory_record/141028/strathaven_cemetery

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Re: Graveyards in Strathaven
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 09 August 22 02:54 BST (UK) »
I have several ancestors mentioned in an extracted document called "Avondale Deaths", the burials being mid-19th century with entries such as "interd below the stone." and "interred in the 1".
It may be an idea to state the source of the 'extracted document' which may lead to further info. by someone with knowledge of the source?

It may be an idea to list some of those details as others often have access to info. not always available online.

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Graveyards in Strathaven
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 09 August 22 12:10 BST (UK) »
There's a bit about the history and changing location of the old parish church in the Activities section of the site record in the RCAHMS site
https://canmore.org.uk/site/165789/strathaven-59a-kirk-street-avondale-old-parish-church

Worth checking old maps as well if you don't have any luck from the other sources already suggested.

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Re: Graveyards in Strathaven
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 10 August 22 00:42 BST (UK) »
Not sure whether this may be of any help but it seems to relate to Strathaven 'new' Cemetery...

https://www.myainfolk.ca/gallery/album/6

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Graveyards in Strathaven
« Reply #5 on: Monday 15 August 22 18:00 BST (UK) »
Many thanks to all of you for your helpful replies. My apologies that I didn't reply sooner as I was trying to obtain more information to allow me to answer my query, with the help of you all, of Strathaven John Hastie Museum Trust, and also of the National Library of Scotland's online map facility.

It turns out that the original graveyard in Strathaven was on the east side of present-day Castle Street, at the most southern extent of the graveyard complex in Strathaven. It was the graveyard for St Mary's Church (Avondale Parish Church), which adjoined the graveyard to the south east.

St Mary's Church was relocated in 1772 to Kirk Street but the graveyard remained. Looking at the old maps, the graveyard was roughly the same size by 1850, but had been extended northwards by 1900. By the mid-20th century, a new section has been opened to the east of this northern extension, and by the present day, a new section to the north of the original northern extension has also been created. It appears that the cemetery has now reached its limits, with no new lairs to be added.

So, my take on it is that "Strathaven Cemetery" applies to, depending on which way the wind is blowing, the entire graveyard complex, or the complex minus the original St Mary's Church graveyard. "Strathaven Old Cemetery" or "Avondale Churchyard" probably refers to the original graveyard and "Strathaven New Cemetery" probably refers to everything except the original graveyard.

In answer to my other query, the maps indicate that the original transcriptions that I obtained mentioning "interd below the stone" etc, being around the mid-19th century, almost certainly referred to the original graveyard.

I hope that this makes sense! In essence, there is one "Strathaven Cemetery" but it has new and old sections.

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Re: Graveyards in Strathaven
« Reply #6 on: Monday 15 August 22 23:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Ewan,

You are correct in your findings! The original parish church and burial ground (kirkyard/churchyard) was where you say it was, just opposite the castle.
The publication "Avondale Death Records" was transcribed from the micro-film record purchased from the Registrar-General of Scotland by Lanarkshire FHS in 2005.

I have driven past Kirk Hill in Strathaven (where the burial ground is) countless times but yesterday I made the trip over there especially to have a look at the stones, in the hope that I could reconcile at least one of them to one of the entries in the Avondale book.

It was a scorching-hot day yesterday and much too hot to be walking around outside, so I spent an hour taking photographs and then I was forced to take refuge in a conveniently close hostelry. (Tough work but someone has to do it).

I was involved in the production of the Avondale book and the unique style of recording the positioning of the deceased within the plots has always intrigued me. I have never seen "breadths" any place else. Why not "lengths"? It would make more sense but, after viewing the layout of the old burial ground and seeing just how steep it is, I have a theory.
 
Gravestones in country churchyards were very uncommon before the second half of the 17th century, they were for rich folk and Avondale parish was full of tenant farmers and weavers, the Duke of Hamilton was quite possibly the only landowner in the parish and he and his family were all tucked-up in their own private burial aisle in the old Collegiate church down in Hamilton.
So, perhaps the good folk of the parish were always positioned in the direction of the hill, head towards the top, feet down, if you know what I mean? Rather than laid across the land.
Then, when headstones (and table/flat stones) began to appear around the end of the 17th century, they were placed, not at the head of the plot, which would make them easier to give in to gravity as the ground settled after each opening but, were placed at the side of the plot, making them less susceptible to falling over on steep, uneven ground.
The earliest stone I could find was dated 1717 but I didn't look at every stone. The higher you climb, the newer the stones are and, once at the top it's a few steps over to the new cemetery on the other side of the hill.
I'll post some pictures and, once I get the time to edit them, I'll post a list of the stones I have photographed. What I did find on quite a few of the older, marker stones was the number of breadths the owner had in the plot. Just to confuse me (yes you guys, I know it isn't too difficult to do) one stone had "Three lengths and two breadths". 
Picture of the castle, then the entrance, complete with the obligatory Rowan trees, always planted at an entrance to anywhere, home or burial ground, to ward off evil spirits.



 
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: Graveyards in Strathaven
« Reply #7 on: Monday 15 August 22 23:32 BST (UK) »
A few more pictures.
You can see how steep it is and this is near the top, those stones would never have survived if they were facing downwards (at right-angles to their present place).
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: Graveyards in Strathaven
« Reply #8 on: Monday 15 August 22 23:36 BST (UK) »
More "breadths" and 2 Fleming stones on one plot.
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.