John CHARLES b 1816

[haney]

Hi Everyone
    I thought I would try and find out what happened if possible to this relative of mine.  He is the son of JAMES CHARLES (b 1798 Garvock-1879 Woodend Farnell) and HELEN (nee LOW).

From the baptismal/birth record for JOHN it looks like they were living at "Cottages Charity Muir".

1841 Census has the three of them together at Woodend, Farnell.  James Charles 50 years Ag Labourer/Gamekeeper (not born in County) Helen age 50 and JOHN aged 20 BLACKSMITH.

That is the last I see of John.  Don't know if he died just after Census in 1841, Emmigrated??

No marriage found either.  2 Brothers ALEXANDER b 1828, James b? and sister JEAN b 1812.  Hope someone can help.  Kindest regards Dianna

[CaroleW]

There is an English 1851 entry for a John Charles aged 36 b Scotland - living in  Middlesex with wife Sarah.  Have you already discounted that entry?

[ColC]

I note on Ancestry some thinks that is Charters, they may be wrong of course but the census is not very clear.
   
John Charles
[John Charters]
Spouse   
Sarah Charles
Birth   about 1815 Scotland
Residence   
Westminster St John the Evangelist, Middlesex

Colin

[ColC]

I note the 1851 census Farnell, I think James was born a little earlier than your post states.
CHARLES   James   Head   61   Forest Labourer   Kincardineshire   Garvock      
CHARLES   Helen   Wife   61      Angus (Forfarshire)   Edzell      

No sign of marriages or 1851 census records in Scotland, for their children?

Death Records Farnell 1752 – 1795 then Statutory Registration from 1855.

No Kirk Session records for Farnell.

Colin

[ColC]

Alexander Charles, this on Ancestry might be worth a look?

Spouse   Eliza Gavin
Father   James Charles
Mother   Helen Low
Children   John
Birth   17 Mar 1828 Farnell, Angus, Scotland
Death   24 Aug 1885 Parramatta, New South Wales, Australia
Residence   1851 Benvie, Angus, Scotland

Colin

[ColC]

James Charles more information on Ancestry, someone has kindly attached supporting evidence despite the lack of a baptism record on SP.

Spouse   Christina Sinclair
Father   James Charles
Mother   Helen Low
Children   Elizabeth Campbell
Birth   1821 Farnell, Angus, Scotland
Death   4 Oct 1886 Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Residence   1881 Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland

There is also a tree for Jean & John but only what is already known.

Colin

[MonicaL]

I note on Ancestry some thinks that is Charters, they may be wrong of course but the census is not very clear.
   
John Charles
[John Charters]
Spouse   
Sarah Charles
Birth   about 1815 Scotland
Residence   
Westminster St John the Evangelist, Middlesex

Colin

He does show as Charter in subsequent censuses. Likely birth in Kirkbean, Kirkcudbright in 1815. Middle name of Craik. He had a daughter called Elizabeth Fender McKay Charter. The Kirkbean John's mother was called Elizabeth McKie. So, looks likely he connected to those origins.

Monica

[JackieDuffus]

I believe Woodend was formerly called Charity Muir.

John

[haney]

Hi Everyone and thanks for your input on my G Uncle JOHN CHARLES.  Looks like I'm back to the drawing board as you say the one in Middlesex is CHARTER/S?? 

So sorry this is so late!  I actually just saw these replies as I was going to make another (unrelated) enquiry.  Anyway thank you all. Kind regards Dianna