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How many pubs in Ffrwd?
« on: Saturday 13 August 22 04:03 BST (UK) »
I was doing some research in old UK newspapers when I came across an article from 1864 about an inquest in Ffrwd (Frood), near Wrexham. Apparently, a young shoemaker ‘far advanced in intoxication’ had tried to jump on a moving train, but was run over. What struck me was that out of the 17 members of the jury, 9 were publicans. There were also 3 shoemakers, a tailor and assorted others.
Was this a reflection of the number of pubs in Ffrwd (there was a large iron works nearby, presumably with a lot of thirsty workers)? Or were publicans over-represented among property owners in the region (I’m assuming jurors in those days had to be property owners)?
Also, 17 seems like a lot of jurors. The inquest was held in the Black Horse Inn – maybe there were free drinks afterwards as an incentive to serve?

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Re: How many pubs in Ffrwd?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 13 August 22 11:38 BST (UK) »
In 1845, my own village had 437 inhabitants, but had 2 public houses and 2 beer shops. A beer shop only brewed beer for consumption off the premises. Even in the depths of rural Norfolk, the water could not be trusted. 

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Re: How many pubs in Ffrwd?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 13 August 22 16:12 BST (UK) »

 Or were publicans over-represented among property owners in the region (I’m assuming jurors in those days had to be property owners)?
Also, 17 seems like a lot of jurors. The inquest was held in the Black Horse Inn – maybe there were free drinks afterwards as an incentive to serve?


I don't know about Welsh law.
English jurors had to be ratepayers until second half of 20th century. Most jurors were men until then.
My innkeeper ancestors in a village/small town in 18th & early 19th centuries were yeomen with certain property rights but with the status came responsibilities. 
Inns were a common venue for inquests. There had to be a room big enough to accommodate the jury + members of public, with seats and tables for officials and jurors. An inn might be the only suitable place in a small town. At one time corpses were on view at inquests. 
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Re: How many pubs in Ffrwd?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 13 August 22 16:47 BST (UK) »
Ffrwd was  a very small place, I suspect that they came from the surrounding villages.

I lived in the Wrexham area and I'd not heard of it until your post came up,  It's in the Brymbo-Llay  area

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Re: How many pubs in Ffrwd?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 13 August 22 17:01 BST (UK) »
The inquest was at Pentre Broughton, not Ffrwd
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Re: How many pubs in Ffrwd?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 13 August 22 17:12 BST (UK) »
The inquest was at Pentre Broughton, not Ffrwd

I thought that there was something wrong!

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Re: How many pubs in Ffrwd?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 13 August 22 17:49 BST (UK) »
Checking out some of the names:

The Cowlishaw family had the Running Horses at Ffrwd
William Lambert had the White Horse at Pentre
John Kenrick - not sure which John Kenrick this is but I haven't found a publican of that name
John Rooney - I haven't found a publican of that name in the Wrexham area
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Re: How many pubs in Ffrwd?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 13 August 22 19:22 BST (UK) »
I remember there being a Red Lion in Ffrwd - but otherwise a very small place. But what puzzled me about this story was I'm sure there was never a railway there - only at Ffrith to the west or Cefnybedd to the east.

There was once a bus service to Ffrwd timetabled to call at Yord - so obscure a place that it isn't on any map!
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Re: How many pubs in Ffrwd?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 13 August 22 19:25 BST (UK) »
I remember there being a Red Lion in Ffrwd -


now apparently a pub-restaurant called "The Ffrwd"
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