Author Topic: Who is John Melrose in NYC 1870, and what happened to him?  (Read 25646 times)

Offline zumaro

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 179
    • View Profile
Who is John Melrose in NYC 1870, and what happened to him?
« on: Sunday 14 August 22 07:53 BST (UK) »
I am perplexed as to fate of one of my family John Melrose. He was born in Manor, Peeblesshire, Scotland in 1827, son of James Melrose and Jane Ballantyne.  In 1852 he married Mary Middlemass, and you can see him in the 1861 Scottish census, described as a linen draper master, with children Agnes (7), James (5) and John (3). Later that year he had another daughter Jane Ballantyne Melrose.  That however is the last record I can find of him.

However Mary Middlemass is easy to track. In 1871 she is living on a farm with her grandparents, along with all 4 children. In 1881 she is living with her mother and daughter Jane in Peebles, where she is described as married, and living on private means. In 1891, she is living just with daughter Jane in Peebles, where again she is described as married and living on private means. In 1901 however, she is by herself in Peebles, and described as widowed and living on private means.

Next she moves to New Jersey, where she lives with her son James. You can see her in the 1910 federal census, living in Trenton Ward 13, Mercer, New Jersey, described as widowed. Also there are city directory entries around that time, where she is described as the widow of John Melrose. I have not found her death entry however.

Another small piece of evidence that John was alive at least in 1877, is that his daughter Agnes died in childbirth that year.  John is not described as deceased on Agnes's death record.

At the same time I have found an entry in the 1870 federal census for John Melrose a tailor from Scotland, living in New York Ward 09 District 14.  It is a curious entry, because living with him are an inferred set of children and an apprentice, but if you look at the children, none of them seem to be anything to do with his Scottish family, being born in New York. However if you look at how they are entered, the children also plausibly lack a family name - every other entry on the page has a line for the family name, and these have none. My research skills so far are not up to finding the origin of this "family", or the fate of any of them.  I am suspecting that the children are not Melroses, and somewhere there might be an 1860 census with them. I have not found any of them in subsequent records.

What do people make of this? Have I located my John, but if so what happens to him? Who are the people he is with?  I am hoping someone more skilled than me might point me in the right direction.
Smith: East Lothian, Scotland
Mack: Berwick, Scotland
Fell: Yorkshire, England
Smeeton: Leicester, England
Haigh: Marsden, Yorkshire, England
Sullivan: Kerry, Ireland

Offline Lisa in California

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,646
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.natio
    • View Profile
Re: Who is John Melrose in NYC 1870, and what happened to him?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 14 August 22 10:16 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately, it looks like John Melrose, from the 1870 census, was living in New York in 1860 with his possible wife, Margaret, and their children.  The ages are a bit off but close enough to possibly be the same family.

Update: they can also be found in the 1855 New York census.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

Offline zumaro

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 179
    • View Profile
Re: Who is John Melrose in NYC 1870, and what happened to him?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 August 22 10:52 BST (UK) »
Alas that 1860 entry does appear to be them. Age for John is way off, which is why I didn't find him, but the children are spot on.  No Mary in the 1860 census, but I think at 15 she was probably old enough to be living as a servant or something, somewhere else. Can't find them in the 1855 NY census however - do you have a link?

Back to the drawing board then - why would Mary Middlemass be living by herself most of her married life, with a husband who seems to be totally AWOL... Might be a Canadian problem, or South African (one of the sons went there). It doesn't seem to be a Scottish one.

Thanks for the help!
Smith: East Lothian, Scotland
Mack: Berwick, Scotland
Fell: Yorkshire, England
Smeeton: Leicester, England
Haigh: Marsden, Yorkshire, England
Sullivan: Kerry, Ireland

Offline Lisa in California

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,646
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.natio
    • View Profile
Re: Who is John Melrose in NYC 1870, and what happened to him?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 14 August 22 11:01 BST (UK) »
Very welcome.  I don’t have the 1855 census open right now, I was looking around for Mary and James.  Are you aware that there is a passenger record for:
James Melrose, age 22, Draper(?) - sailed to New York on board the Columbia, arriving 3 Sep 1869 (port of departure was Glasgow, Scotland).

Could this be John’s son?  I wonder if John was in America at that time?

I saw a passenger list for whom could be Mary and James, arriving in America in 1907, they were shown as American citizens, I believe.  That led me to look for James’ earlier sailing date.

I will search for a few more minutes, then I need to call it a night.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)


Offline zumaro

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 179
    • View Profile
Re: Who is John Melrose in NYC 1870, and what happened to him?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 14 August 22 11:08 BST (UK) »
I hadn't seen the record for James, but he would have been only 14 in 1869, so I don't think this is him.  In the 1910 federal census, it says he immigrated in 1882, and I have found him so far in the 1895 and 1905 New Jersey censuses as well. He was a merchant, starting his own businesses in Trenton, marrying Gertrude Sittner in 1898.
Thanks again!
Smith: East Lothian, Scotland
Mack: Berwick, Scotland
Fell: Yorkshire, England
Smeeton: Leicester, England
Haigh: Marsden, Yorkshire, England
Sullivan: Kerry, Ireland

Offline Lisa in California

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,646
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.natio
    • View Profile
Re: Who is John Melrose in NYC 1870, and what happened to him?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 14 August 22 11:14 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the added info.  I don’t like to give up so I’m irritated that it is the middle of the night here. ;D  If I find anything within a few minutes, I will post details.  If not, I will be back tomorrow.  :)

Note: I’m wondering if he followed his father to America — possibly John found work in America and sent money home for the family?
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

Offline zumaro

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 179
    • View Profile
Re: Who is John Melrose in NYC 1870, and what happened to him?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 14 August 22 11:20 BST (UK) »
That's what started me looking for John in the US, when I found Mary Middlemass and James in New Jersey. She immigrated in 1907.

Somewhere along the line Mary was obviously being kept afloat, with her income from private means for about 40 years.
Smith: East Lothian, Scotland
Mack: Berwick, Scotland
Fell: Yorkshire, England
Smeeton: Leicester, England
Haigh: Marsden, Yorkshire, England
Sullivan: Kerry, Ireland

Offline Kloumann

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,194
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Who is John Melrose in NYC 1870, and what happened to him?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 14 August 22 11:23 BST (UK) »
There are 2 John Melrose deaths with MMN Ballantyne, both in 1891, one recorded as age 82 in Kelso & one age 60, in Colinton. I have known SP to get the age wrong before.

In 1881 census, there is a John Melrose, age 53, in Traquair, ref 771/3/2

Offline maddys52

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,280
  • Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.
    • View Profile
Re: Who is John Melrose in NYC 1870, and what happened to him?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 14 August 22 11:31 BST (UK) »
There is a marriage notice for a Jeanie MELROSE in 1897:

"At Peebles, on the 15th inst. R.A. Henderson, merchant, Queenstown, South Africa, to Jeanie, daughter of the late John Melrose, Peebles."

Thursday,  Dec. 23, 1897
Publication: Southern Reporter

Is this your Jane?