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MICHAEL DOLAN AND MARY ANNE BROWNE
« on: Tuesday 16 August 22 07:02 BST (UK) »
Just been adding up some dates of my great grandparents based on documents found on the internet in an effort to calculate their ages at the time of their deaths. I am hoping a fresh pair or eyes might spot something that is not correct, and/or anyone who is researching the same line that have more accurate details. Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

I have not been able to find an exact birth date for MICHAEL DOLAN of Arm, Ballinapark, Roscommon or his wife MARY ANNE (BROWNE) DOLAN of Brownhill, townland of Lissalway, Roscommon to confirm their correct age at their time of death. The earliest documents are their marriage certificate, dated 10th June 1880, which lists Michael as 26 years old and Mary Anne as 24 years old at that time. If this were correct, and allowing for a year either way depending on a birthday before or after that date, Michael would have been born in 1854 and Mary Anne in 1856 (two years difference in age).(two years difference in age).

In the Census of Ireland taken on the 31st March 1901, both of them were listed as being 40 years of age, indicating that Michael and Mary Anne would have been both born in 1861 (no difference in age).

Ten years later in the Census of Ireland taken on the 2nd April 1911, Michael was listed as 58 years old and Mary Anne as 55 years old. If this were correct, and again allowing for a year either way, Michael would have been born in 1853 and Mary Anne in 1856 (three years difference in age).

In the column “completed years of marriage” they wrote 30 years, which would be 1881, just one year more than the date on their actual marriage certificate. As the marriage certificate is a legal docment and the date registered four days later on the 14th June 1880, it would be fair to say that on the 1911 census form, Michael put 30 years married as a round figure. Their first born child, Peter Dolan, was born in 1881.

The Old Age Pensions Act 1908 introduced a non-contributory pension for ‘eligible’ people aged 70 and over. It came into law in January 1909 in Ireland and as a result, there were a lot of intentional mis-reporting or “age-heaping”, apparently expecting this to help secure an earlier claim for a pension, which certainly accounts for the larger discrepancies in age, and the 6 year increase, as Michael and Mary Anne also took advantage of gaining an allowance once they reached 70, in a time where birth certificates, or documented proof of age, were not required.

When Michael died on the 10th October 1938, he was listed as being 92 years old, which would mean he was born in 1846 and when Mary Anne died on the 14th March 1937 she was listed as 74 years of age on her death certificate, which means she would have been born in 1863, presuming these ages are correct and again allowing for one year. However such details are not always accurate as birth certificates and such documents were not freely available to compare and often the family, or those who were present at death, were never exactly sure of the correct age of their parents and the age on the death certificate was more assumed than exact. The headstone in Castlerea Graveyard bears no age either but the above age gap of 17 years is certainly incorrect.

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Re: MICHAEL DOLAN AND MARY ANNE BROWNE
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 16 August 22 19:24 BST (UK) »
In the Westmeath Independent of 22 Oct 1938 there is a piece in the Castlerea Notes on the death of Michael Dolan Ballinapark which gives his age as 88.

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Re: MICHAEL DOLAN AND MARY ANNE BROWNE
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 16 August 22 19:50 BST (UK) »
According to his marriage his father was Peter and residence Kilkeevan.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1880/11037/8036463.pdf

Death of Peter - again Kilkeevan. - informant Bridget Dolan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1879/06513/4875619.pdf

Possible death of Bridget Dolan

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1880/06473/4861943f.pdf

There is this baptism - earlier than your dates 28th September 1851 - Michael to Peter and Bridget
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633928#page/118/mode/1up



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Re: MICHAEL DOLAN AND MARY ANNE BROWNE
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 17 August 22 04:16 BST (UK) »
Thanks Heywood, I find searching some of these files hard, maybe it is my bad eyesight. The writing is not always easy and with the mixture of latin, it is sometimes missed by me. What I have noticed is the very large amount of data for each day, each week and subsequently each year when Ireland's population was at its peak. I will certainly search those links you provided. I am very grateful to you for your help and it makes a big difference for me with such help.


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Re: MICHAEL DOLAN AND MARY ANNE BROWNE
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 17 August 22 04:20 BST (UK) »
In the Westmeath Independent of 22 Oct 1938 there is a piece in the Castlerea Notes on the death of Michael Dolan Ballinapark which gives his age as 88.

Thank you also Sinann. I am not sure of the connection to Castlerea with the Westmeath Independent for carrying an obituary. This is indeed interesting. Are you able to copy and send the text to me of the piece. I would be very grateful.

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Re: MICHAEL DOLAN AND MARY ANNE BROWNE
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 17 August 22 08:14 BST (UK) »
I will transcribe them here and then you can decide.
The civil records: the marriage and deaths are more legible.

I will transcribe the parish records.
I will start with the marriage of Peter Dolan and Bridget. You will see that Bridget’s surname varies with spelling.

All Kilkeevin

Marriage
March 2nd 1840
Peter Dolan and Bridget Kaveny  witnesses Michael Swiney and Bridget Dolan

Births
23rd April 1845
Mary of Peter Dolan and Bridget Keveny - sponsors Michael Br… and Mary Gr…

7th May 1849
John of Peter Dolan and Bridget Kavenny - sponsors A…. And Margaret ? therson

** 28th September 1851
Michael of Peter Dolan and Bridget Can*ny - sponsors  ? Donlon and Mary Abbot

23rd July 1853
Patrick of Peter Dolan and Bridget Ka..eny- sponsors Peter Kaveny and Nora Mullany

If this is the right family, you would expect births 1841 to 1845 - between the marriage and first birth here but I can’t see any transcriptions

I hope this helps.
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Re: MICHAEL DOLAN AND MARY ANNE BROWNE
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 17 August 22 11:28 BST (UK) »
Thanks Heywood. I actually had most of those you found, but not all of the dates, so it was good to be able to cross-check. Patrick (23/7/1853) is of interest, as I had another Patrick born 26/1/1847 that may have died young and the Patrick born in 1853 may have been named after his deceased brother.
Thank you so much for your finds. I appreciate your time.

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Re: MICHAEL DOLAN AND MARY ANNE BROWNE
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 17 August 22 12:16 BST (UK) »
In the Westmeath Independent of 22 Oct 1938 there is a piece in the Castlerea Notes on the death of Michael Dolan Ballinapark which gives his age as 88.

Thank you also Sinann. I am not sure of the connection to Castlerea with the Westmeath Independent for carrying an obituary. This is indeed interesting. Are you able to copy and send the text to me of the piece. I would be very grateful.

It's from Irish News Archives a subscription site so there is copyright, I can only tell you what it says.
The paper claims to circulated extensively in Westmeath, Roscommon, Longford, Meath, Offaly, Leix, Galway, Mayo, Sligo and Leitrim.

We regret to announce the death of Mr Michael Dolan, Ballinapark, Castlerea, which took place after a very brief illness at his residence on the 10th inst. Deceased had reached the ripe old age of 88 years and during his long association with the district earned for himself the deep respect and friendship of all with whom he came into contact. The remains were removed to St. Patrick's Church Castlerea on Tuesday evening at 5 o'clock, and on Wednesday, after  Solemn Requiem High Mass the funeral took place to St Joseph's Cemetery. The funeral cortege was of large dimensions which paid testimony to the great esteem deceased was held by all classes and creeds.

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Re: MICHAEL DOLAN AND MARY ANNE BROWNE
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 17 August 22 12:23 BST (UK) »
Thanks Sinnan, it is so lovely to get this, as a tribute to my great-grandfather, Michael Dolan.

He married MARY ANNE BROWNE on the 10th June 1880 at the Roman Catholic Church, Kilmurry, Co. Roscommon. Michael was listed as being from Kilkeevan, a Sherpherd, aged 26 years and Mary Anne from Brownhill, a farmer’s daughter, aged 24 years. Michael Dolan was a Tenant of the Herd for Minor Young, owner of Harristown House and there were more than 50 sidecars at the ceremony.

He must have been a very popular man in the area with such big turn-outs at both his wedding and funeral.