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Thomas Wilson / James Wilson relationship- Ballynary, Tartaraghan, Armagh
« on: Thursday 25 August 22 18:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Everyone!  Looking for any possible assistance trying to figure out the relationship between my great grandfather, Thomas WILSON, born June 24, 1861 in Ballynary, Tartaraghan, Armagh, Ireland and another gentleman (James, more below) who may be either his son or nephew. Thomas’ parents were George Wilson (1829-Jan 10, 1889) and Francis Greenaway (Dec 17, 1827- Nov 2, 1884). I can only find the following siblings for Thomas: Anne, Jane, Mary, Elizabeth and James. Thomas moved to Manchester, CT to work at the Cheney Silk Mills in the late 1880s. He married Isabella Gilpin on October 6, 1891 in Astoria, Queens, NY. They had 3 daughters: Ethel (my grandmother), Amanda and Maude. However, at some point in the 1890s, a James Wilson (born June 28, 1884 in Portadown) comes to live with Thomas and Isabella. James also worked at the silk mills, he notes on his employment card that his father is Thomas and his sister is Ethel. Thomas’ employment card lists James as a relative but doesn’t define to what degree. When Thomas died in 1952, his obituary lists James as his son. Isabella’s obit in 1915 doesn’t even mention James. James’ grandson told me that he said that he was orphaned in Ireland and came to live with Thomas but he never discussed the nature of the relationship. I had hoped that finding Thomas’ parents and siblings in Armagh would have cleared this up but it’s another roadblock. I can only find one brother for Thomas, James, born Jan 17, 1854 but I have no further information on him, whether he married, had children, died and left a child orphaned. And I cannot find a birth through the civil registry for James that gives me anything definitive. There is a James born June 25th 1884 to an Arthur Wilson and Elizabeth Reid, but I can’t tie them to Thomas. If anyone has any information, I’d love to finally figure out the relationship. Was Thomas James’ father or uncle perhaps? Thanks so much. Laura.

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Re: Thomas Wilson / James Wilson relationship- Ballynary, Tartaraghan, Armagh
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 25 August 22 19:55 BST (UK) »
Marriage of Arthur Wilson & Elisa Jane Reid gives his residence & father's name/occupation-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1868/11446/8204458.pdf

?Arthur Wilson-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1899/05783/4635222.pdf
Administration of the estate of Arthur Wilson late of Tallymore Etra County Armagh Farmer who died 20 October 1899 granted at Armagh to Eliza J. Wilson the Widow
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Re: Thomas Wilson / James Wilson relationship- Ballynary, Tartaraghan, Armagh
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 25 August 22 20:00 BST (UK) »
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Thomas' brother James (born 1854), I have no idea whether he married or when he died.  The James I'm looking for who lived with Thomas in Manchester, CT did marry Mary Ellen Rogers on Sept 5, 1906 in Manchester, CT.  He died in Manchester, CT on Nov 2, 1963.  They had two children:  Marjorie and Eldon.  Thank you, Laura

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Re: Thomas Wilson / James Wilson relationship- Ballynary, Tartaraghan, Armagh
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 25 August 22 20:01 BST (UK) »
Earlier topic-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=723572.msg5676866#msg5676866

By 1920, James was married and living in Manchester, CT.  He went by James B. Wilson, the "B", according to his grandson, was added to eliminate confusion from another James Wilson in town.  He was a postman and later died in 1963. 

I've never been able to determine exactly when he came to CT as he seems to have missed the census windows with the Wilson's.  His grandson told me he was orphaned and emigrated around 9 years old.  His WWI draft card puts his DOB as June 28, 1884, which would mean he emigrated around 1893 which is consistent with the census records.

Been trying to find Thomas' siblings as I assume James' father was Thomas' brother...
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Re: Thomas Wilson / James Wilson relationship- Ballynary, Tartaraghan, Armagh
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 25 August 22 20:01 BST (UK) »
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Thomas' brother James (born 1854), I have no idea whether he married or when he died.  The James I'm looking for who lived with Thomas in Manchester, CT did marry Mary Ellen Rogers on Sept 5, 1906 in Manchester, CT.  He died in Manchester, CT on Nov 2, 1963.  They had two children:  Marjorie and Eldon.  Thank you, Laura

What is listed for parents on marriage and death certificates?
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Re: Thomas Wilson / James Wilson relationship- Ballynary, Tartaraghan, Armagh
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 25 August 22 20:02 BST (UK) »
Thank you for finding Arthur's marriage to Eliza, it likely eliminates him as a brother to Thomas since the father's name is different.  Thomas' father was George; Arthur's is William...at least I can perhaps remove this couple and their son as being my James.
Thanks again, Laura

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Re: Thomas Wilson / James Wilson relationship- Ballynary, Tartaraghan, Armagh
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 25 August 22 20:06 BST (UK) »
What is listed for parents on marriage and death certificates?

Connecticut certificates ask for names of both parents, etc.
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Re: Thomas Wilson / James Wilson relationship- Ballynary, Tartaraghan, Armagh
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 25 August 22 21:37 BST (UK) »
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Re: Thomas Wilson / James Wilson relationship- Ballynary, Tartaraghan, Armagh
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 25 August 22 22:37 BST (UK) »
The easy stuff first-
James Wilson (17 Jan.1854-17 June 1876 Ballynary)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1876/020579/7220849.pdf
Mary Wilson (c1857-10 Apr.1873 Ballynarry)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1873/020701/7263290.pdf

Now for James-
1884, 4 July- James Wilson born
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02684/1988719.pdf (parents- George Wilson, weaver & Eliza Greenaway- but informant- Fanny Wilson, reg. 26 July 1884)
1884, 26 July- Fanny Wilson registered birth of James Wilson
1884, 10 Aug.- Eliza Wilson, spinster, died (father George Wilson registered death same day) (father George Wilson registered death same day)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06318/4811949.pdf (continued fever 21 days, informant- George Wilson, reg. 10 Aug.1884)
BY puerperal fever is meant "a continued fever communicable by contagion, occurring in connection with childbirth, and often associated with … https://www.proquest.com/openview/58c7a95d13f3e4d8ee289f80d8c0805f/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=40146
1884, 2 Nov.- Frances (Greenaway) Wilson died
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06310/4809354.pdf

*correction
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