Jones - Main Line Mystery Wolverhampton/Grendon

[Zakerias]

I feel like this is a long shot as I've not been able to progress further in a number of years..

My main family line is Jones and I can go back verifiably to William Jones (c. 1813 - 1856) who married Ann Cooper (c. 1817 - 1897) at All Saints Church, Grendon, in 1834. I had originally linked William with a baptism in nearby Baddesley Ensor on 9th March 1812, which would make him the illegitimate child of Catherine Jones (nee Shilton), who was once married to Richard Jones (d. 1804).

However on the William and Ann's CofE Bann, Ann is OTP but William is listed as OTP of Wolverhampton(?). This has always put a doubt in my mind as to the whether he was truly from Wolverhampton or not.

This community has always been super helpful, either with their suggestions or information they are able to uncover. I also don't have any information on Ann's parents. Census records point to Wilnecote as her place of birth.

Any information at all would be useful here.

Many thanks

[BumbleB]

Just because William was deemed to be of the parish of Wolverhampton when he married in 1834, it does not mean that he was born there, only that he was iiving there in 1834.

[Milliepede]

William Jones (c. 1813 - 1856)

What birthplace does he have in 1851 census?

Is he born In or Out of whatever County he is in 1841?

[ciderdrinker]

Hello
The censuses do give Grendon and Warwickshire.
I've looked at the Jones family for Grendon and your first choice fits like a glove.There is a connection to Baddesley Ensor with Catherine and Richard Jones's marriage there in 1792.She is of Grendon so it makes sense she is living there as a widow and she would want to christen an illegitimate child outside of her own parish.
Or though it looks like she was christened at Badesley Ensor 1 Sep 1773 d of Samuel and Ann Shilton.

William may have been apprenticed to someone in Wolverhampton and be just finishing his apprenticeship age 21 and returning to his family in Grendon.
But she did have that illegitimate son called William ,where did he go if he is not yours marrying in 1834?

Ciderdrinker

[ciderdrinker]

Hi Me again
Had a look at the Coopers and I think this is them

Joseph Cooper born c 1782 buried St E Tamworth of Wilnecote 25.2.1838 labourer
wife Maria born Wilnecote on 1851 census 1791 burial 17.3.1862 again at Tamworth born c 1789.

Children all baptised St E Tamworth but labourer of Wilnecote
Elizabeth 1.7.1810,Mary 6.2.1814-12.3.1815,John 25.2.1816,Anne 1.3.1818,Maria 28.5.1820-11.2.1838,Thomas 16.6.1822-26.5.1853,Joseph 9.5.1824 tile maker?,Jane 18.6.1826,William 18.5.1828,and Sarah 5.7.1832.

Maria appears on the 1841-1861 censuses.

ps possible marriage Joseph Cooper of Over Whitacre and Maria Stretton of Chilvers Cotten 4.3.1810 at Chilvers Cotten.
Maria bapt 12.8.1792 at Tamworth d of Mary Stretton of Wilncote.


Ciderdrinker

[ColC]

 I had originally linked William with a baptism in nearby Baddesley Ensor on 9th March 1812, which would make him the illegitimate child of Catherine Jones (nee Shilton), who was once married to Richard Jones (d. 1804).

Many thanks

Given the information below I think the above is a fair assumption.

William Jones Spouse   Ann Cooper
Marriage   30 Jun 1834 Grendon, Warwickshire,

1851 census 37 born Grendon

Death
JONES, WILLIAM       43 
GRO Reference: 1856  S Quarter in ATHERSTONE  Volume 06D  Page 167

Richard Jones   24 Jul 1836   Grendon   Son of William & Ann

Colin

Apologies missed the alert.

[Zakerias]

Just because William was deemed to be of the parish of Wolverhampton when he married in 1834, it does not mean that he was born there, only that he was iiving there in 1834.

Yeah that's true. I just don't imagine people moving around too much back then. William became a Miner, and there was plenty of work like that in the local area.

William Jones (c. 1813 - 1856)

What birthplace does he have in 1851 census?

Is he born In or Out of whatever County he is in 1841?

1841 he is living in Grendon, Warwickshire. Listed as born in Warwickshire.
1851 his birthplace is listed as Grendon, Warwickshire. (Hence why I initially made the link between Catherine and William)

Hello
The censuses do give Grendon and Warwickshire.
I've looked at the Jones family for Grendon and your first choice fits like a glove.There is a connection to Baddesley Ensor with Catherine and Richard Jones's marriage there in 1792.She is of Grendon so it makes sense she is living there as a widow and she would want to christen an illegitimate child outside of her own parish.
Or though it looks like she was christened at Badesley Ensor 1 Sep 1773 d of Samuel and Ann Shilton.

William may have been apprenticed to someone in Wolverhampton and be just finishing his apprenticeship age 21 and returning to his family in Grendon.
But she did have that illegitimate son called William ,where did he go if he is not yours marrying in 1834?

Ciderdrinker

Baddesley has strong connections with Grendon and is very close distince wise. Samuel and Ann was the same conclusion I came too. Catherine's headstone is still visible in Grendon churchyard, which is pretty cool.

You make a good point, if he didn't marry Ann, where did he go?

Hi Me again
Had a look at the Coopers and I think this is them

Joseph Cooper born c 1782 buried St E Tamworth of Wilnecote 25.2.1838 labourer
wife Maria born Wilnecote on 1851 census 1791 burial 17.3.1862 again at Tamworth born c 1789.

Children all baptised St E Tamworth but labourer of Wilnecote
Elizabeth 1.7.1810,Mary 6.2.1814-12.3.1815,John 25.2.1816,Anne 1.3.1818,Maria 28.5.1820-11.2.1838,Thomas 16.6.1822-26.5.1853,Joseph 9.5.1824 tile maker?,Jane 18.6.1826,William 18.5.1828,and Sarah 5.7.1832.

Maria appears on the 1841-1861 censuses.

ps possible marriage Joseph Cooper of Over Whitacre and Maria Stretton of Chilvers Cotten 4.3.1810 at Chilvers Cotten.
Maria bapt 12.8.1792 at Tamworth d of Mary Stretton of Wilncote.


Ciderdrinker

Admittedly I haven't focused as much as I should have on Ann but I'll look into this, thank you very much.

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Still very much bothers me that the marriage certificate and bann give Wolverhampton but is that outweighed by the counter arguments? (E.g. 1851 Born in Grendon etc.) I'm not sure

[Zakerias]

Hi, to come back to this after 2 years..

On a whim I decided to order Catherine's death certificate as she died in 1839 and to my surprise Ann Jones (wife of William) was present at the death. William married Ann in 1834, who we established was likely from Wilnecote, so her only link to Catherine would be through William. Unless it's coincidental and they were just neighbours or something.

The evidence is now too strong to ignore, so I think mystery solved, best we can, and we can confirm that William Jones was the illegitimate child of Catherine Jones (nee Shilton).

Many thanks for all of the responses!

[Zakerias]

Maybe I spoke too soon, Catherine and Richard had a daughter, Anne born in 1798... so I'll look into what happened to her. Would have been nearly 40, unmarried and living in the same area.. so we'll see.

EDIT:
So I couldn't find anything on Anne Jones (b. 1798) but John Albrighton, Catherine's husband is living with William & Ann Jones in the 1841 census. William & Ann have their two children with them, Richard and Catherine. So I think we are ok

More evidence, so again, too much to ignore.