Charles King c.1857 Mathon

[crisane]

1911, merthyr tydfil (lower merthyr tydfil) , Class: RG14; Piece: 32442; Schedule Number: 299
Enumeration District: 18

1901 merthyr tydfil, Class: RG13; Piece: 5027; Folio: 117; Page: 51
Enumeration District: 36

1891 merthyr tydfil, Class: RG12; Piece: 4434; Folio: 104; Page: 27
Enumeration District: 12

Is that ok for you or do you need other info? I'm not entirely sure how to reference these correctly

ALSO the GRO record of his death on 24 Sept 1911 gives his age as 54 - so birth year c.1857

The referencing is just as you have done it. but don't use the GSU roll number. Something to do with copyright maybe?
1841 census also has a book number in the reference.

[crisane]

There is this birth registration on the GRO index
Charles King Dec 1/4 1858 Vol 6a page 385 registration district Tewkesbury. There is no mother's maiden name given which usually indicates an illegitimate birth.   

Maybe we should be looking for a Charles with another surname in the 1861 if he is this one because his mother may have married after his birth and before the 1861 census and he was listed with his stepfather's name then reverted to his mother's maiden name later on.
Tewkesbury doesn't include any of the birth places your Charles gives in any of the censuses after his marriage but is very close to them. All of this is just the tossing around of possible scenarios.

[baytree1970]

Thanks for all the input.  I'm a bit doubtful about Tewkesbury, it seems too far from me.

I sent off for the marriage certificate - hopefully that will yield some concrete clues. I think there were King families in Mathon, which is one location listed. Certainly there were a lot in Colwall which is just down the road.

I'm going to sit on it until the marriage cert arrives I think.

Thanks again for everyone's help.

[osprey]

I wonder if this could be Charles in 1871?

1 Denmark Cottages, Leigh, Martley RG10/3046 folio 10 pg 13
Jane King head widow 45 laundress b. Worcs, Malvern
Charles son 16 scholar b. Hereford, Cradley
Henry son 13 errand boy b. Leigh
Annie dau 9 b. Leigh

baptisms in Mathon - Jane's address noted as S. James Leigh
Henry https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NV9X-1FC

Annie as Anne Louisa https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JS62-CTY
and Emily the same day https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JS62-CT1

and Charles in Great Malvern - Jane's address noted as North Malvern
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQZD-X3X

 

1861 census - Jane as widow in 1871 may be a bit of a fib   
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7FS-2DB

[baytree1970]

Thanks, at first glance this looks plausible - I'll check it out.

[baytree1970]

This King family - Jane is with her mother in 1851 age 26 with several kids. Her parents are King, Jane is King, all her kids are King... I'm used to see the odd illegitimate child but Jane had quite a few kids over quite a period of time - unless she married someone also called King (not on any of the census returns) - are we suggesting all these kids are illegitimate?

I just checked the baptism records and Jane King is the sole parent recorded every time, 'spinster' or occupation left blank

[crisane]

My great great grandmother had 4 illegitimate children so it is something to consider.
They were all to different men, one actually registered in the surname of her father.