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Re: Birth certificate for grand mother and her mother
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 14 September 22 18:30 BST (UK) »
It is the numbers not letters that need to change to continue to another page. It might help to know how the books are arranged. Originally all births, from memory, for a year were in one volume but as the numbers increased it changed to a volume for each quarter. In each book the certificates are by registration district then sub-district. For Cork it would be Cork No.1, Cork No.2, etc. You would need to have an idea of the date unless you have lots of time to check everything!
Sometimes searching with minimal details gets the page- first name with no surname, 'unknown' for the Christian name (many children weren't registered with names), year & registration district, etc.

There were some entries that were not photographed. I remember several times, having name, place & exact date for an event and when not finding it realised that the whole quarter for that sub-district wasn't in the book.
Mis-indexed items can also be difficult to find- don't assume that because it's an 'easy' name to find that it doesn't appear incorrectly in the index.
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Re: Birth certificate for grand mother and her mother
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 14 September 22 22:01 BST (UK) »
Through piecing together various bits of information, I think the birth date we are looking for is 15 Jan 1881 (or close to it). However cannot be 100% certain.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Birth certificate for grand mother and her mother
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 14 September 22 22:42 BST (UK) »
Here's the registration- 15 Jan.1881
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02834/2039037.pdf

Fantastic Aghadowey! Twits will be so thrilled.
I am surprised my wild card searching did not find it, even with that surname spelling. Or maybe it did, and I just passed it by in the index, as it was so far off “Langlands”. ::)
My birth date for her was spot on though. :D
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


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Re: Birth certificate for grand mother and her mother
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 15 September 22 01:56 BST (UK) »
Some more on your LANGLANDS family

Death of Isabella LANGLANDS (mother to James Langlands) in 1874 in Cork (age 64)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1874/020656/7247880.pdf
Husband John present at her death. No death found for him in Ireland.

On James Langlands’ marriage to Ellen Kelly we have the name of a brother (as a witness)
William LANGLANDS
•   1891 census in Bristol : William, single, born 1854 Cork, a Steam ship manager
•   1897 travelling New York to Liverpool, age 43, single, ship owner. (Also onboard - James G Langlands, married age 50)
•   1901 census in Weston Super Mare, England: William, single, born 1854 Ireland, – a Ship owner
•   1920 marriage to Frances Seldon in Devon
•   1930 William (age 76 ship owner) travelling England to Egypt with wife Frances (age 64) Home address 8 West Cliff, Dawlish, England.
•   Death 14 Feb 1933 in Paddington, London, age 77. Probate gives address in Dawlish Devon. Names widow as Frances. A wealthy man – He left a sizeable amount in his will.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Birth certificate for grand mother and her mother
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 15 September 22 01:58 BST (UK) »
Then I followed up on this other marriage in Cork (a sister to James)

Anne LANGLANDS married 18 Jan 1865 Cork to Robert STRACHAN (a farmer born 1834 in Kinnettles, Angus, Scotland ) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1865/11568/8255908.pdf
The couple were married (or had banns read) in Scotland on  8 Jan 1865 in Scotland (Mains and Strathmartine, Angus)

Children for Ann and Robert STRACHAN born in Mains, Angus, Scotland:
•   Robert Lorimer STRACHAN 1866
•   John Langlands STRACHAN 1867
•   Isabella STRACHAN 1869
•   James STRACHAN 1870
•   Barbara Grant STRACHAN 1872
•   Marion STRACHAN 1873

Ann (Langlands) STRACHAN died in 1882 Longforgan, Angus (age 43)

I very quickly realised that the Langlands originally came from Scotland.  Not surprising as it appeared to be an uncommon name in Ireland, and they were Presbyterian.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Birth certificate for grand mother and her mother
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 15 September 22 02:39 BST (UK) »
So here is your Langlands family in Scotland:
Scottish records are available from here. https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
It is free to register and search the index. Costs a small amount to purchase credits & download original documents.

John LANGLANDS (who became the grocer) baptism 24 Oct 1811 Dundee, Angus
Parents James LANGLANDS and Euphemia VALENTINE

Isobel GRANT baptism 25 march 1810 Tealing, Angus
Parents John GRANT and Anne WATT (married 19 Dec 1800 in Tealing)

John LANGLANDS (the grocer) MARRIAGE on 12 Apr 1838 in Dundee, Scotland to Isabella / Isobel GRANT

1841 census Dundee Angus, Scotland
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a140a60f4040b9d6eefe0f2/john-langlands-1841-angus-forfarshire-dundee-1812-?locale=en

1851 Census St Vigeans Angus
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/590273d8e9379091b10024e7/john-langlands-1851-angus-forfarshire-st-vigeans-1812-?locale=en

Their children born in Dundee Scotland:
•   Ann Watt LANGLANDS bapt 26 Jan 1839
•   Euphemia Valantine LANGLANDS bapt 4 July 1841; burial 14 Sept 1842
•   Isabella LANGLANDS born abt 1843
•   Marion (Mary Anne) LANGLANDS born abt 1845
•   John LANGLANDS junior born abt 1847

After 1851 the Langlands family moved to Cork, where more children were born (including your James and his brother William, ship owner).
Sometime after Isabella died in 1874, John moved back to Scotland.
I picked him up again in 1891 Scotland census.

1891 census St Clement Angus
John LANGLANDS 79 retired grocer, born Dundee
Marion LANGLANDS 46 Daughter, born Dundee
Barbara STRACHEN 5 granddaughter, born Dundee

John LANGLANDS (grocer) died in 1891 St Clement, Angus. Mothers maiden Name on death cert is VALENTINE. Looks like there is a will / testament for him on Scotlands People.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Birth certificate for grand mother and her mother
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 15 September 22 02:40 BST (UK) »
Adding a few more details:

James LANGLANDS died 7 March 1836 in Dundee (age 50)

Euphemia VALENTINE died 25 Mar 1854 Dundee  (age 72)
1841 census for Euphemia
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a140f53f4040b9d6ef56e97/euphemia-valentine-1841-angus-forfarshire-dundee-1786-?locale=en

LANGLANDS grave in Dundee
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/236327668/james-langlands
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Birth certificate for grand mother and her mother
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 15 September 22 08:36 BST (UK) »
Twits will be pleased at all you found. First to explain how I found the 'missing' birth. FamilySearch has most, not all, Irish births 1864-c1881 in their Irish births & baptism collection which shows more than the civil index (name, date of birth, parents). So, I searched there for a 'Florence Elizabeth' born 1880s Cork and BINGO!

Now added a bit more with a Scottish connection-
Cork Constitution, 11 Sept.1890: ... greengage jam, home-made, superior quality. Langlands, Grocers, Bridge street. MIDLOTHIAN oatmeal (genuine Scotch) direct from millers weekly, 2s 6d per atone; finest quality; Scotch Farls (oatcakes) per lb. Langlands, Grocers, Bridge street.

Lots of other similar articles as well as prizes at poultry shows, etc. Sometimes seems to be listed as James Langlands, Glen House, Cork or Glenhouse Poultry Farm in 1890s.

Cork Daily Herald, 26 Nov.1896: ... night at about 7.30 o'clock at Mr Langlands' grocery establishment, Bridge Street. The fire was first noticed by sparks rising over the houses in Camden Quay. It was then found that the stables at the rear of Mr Langlands' premises were on fire. The stalls ...
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