Elusive birth record for Joseph Connell about 1853

[Neale1961]

Yes although his mother Agnes was a farm labourer at Heath Hall, Dumfries in 1851 and potentially that’s where she got pregnant.

I think one might be suspicious about the Hugh (as a potential father) who is the head of house in the 1851 census. His youngest son, John born in 1847, was his last child. Equally the other male servants are possible fathers too. The name "Hugh" was what caught my interest however.

I am including here the 1851 census for Heath Hall, Dumfries as the transcription on Ancestry is very poor.

Hugh Crosbie   Head   Married   37   M   Farmer, 74 Acres 4 Labourers   Kirkcudbright, Gatehouse
Willie (Wilhelmina) Crosbie   Wife   Married   40   F       Dumfries, Kirkmahoe
Jane Crosbie   Daughter       8   F   Scholar   Dumfries, Dumfries
Helen Crosbie   Daughter       7   F   Scholar   Dumfries, Dumfries
John Crosbie   Son       4   M       Dumfries, Dumfries
William Henry   Servant   Unmarried   22   M   Farm Servant   Dumfries, Lochmaben
William Sloan   Servant   Unmarried   17   M   Farm Servant   Dumfries, Ruthwell
Agnes Kirkpatrick   Servant   Unmarried   22   F   House Servant   Dumfries, Tinwald
Agnes Connel   Servant   Unmarried   19   F   Farm Labourer   Kirkcudbright, Kirkbean
John Renwick   Visitor   Married   61   M   Shepherd   Peebles, Tweedsmuir

[Forfarian]

Ancestry Census Scotland 1861  at Muir Kirkbean Kirkcudbrightshire
CONNAL Joseph        64y                labourer            b.Newabey, lorkcudt
CONNAL Mary           34y   dau                               b. Kirkbean, lorkcudt
CONNAL Agnes         28y   dau                                b. Kirkbean, lorkcudt
CONNAL Joseph          7y   g.son                             b. Kirkbean, lorkcudt

lorcudt is a pretty impressive mangling of Kikrcudbrightshire, even by Ancestry's already abysmal standards

[goatfish77]

He died in 1899.
There is a picture of the gravestone on Find a grave here:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/190293083/joseph-connell

Death Certificate:
Parish of Closeburn, county of Dumfriesshire
Joseph Connell, Ploughman, (Widower of Annie Kirk) Illegitimate
Died 1899 February 22nd 4h 30m pm Broomland
Male
44 years old
Parents - Hough Shiels Reputed Father (deceased) Agnes Connell (deceased)
Cause of death Diarrhoea 1 day (collapse probably due to perforation of bowel) Mungo Bryson MBCM
John Connell son present
Registered 1899 Feb 24th at Closeburn- Geo H Farlam? Registrar

Marriage certificate:
Parish of Morton, county of Dumfries
1875 3rd December
Gatelay bridge, Parish of Morton, after banns
(signed) Joseph Connell, Ploughman, bachelor
Male
23 years old
usual residence Kirkbean
Parents - John Shields, Seaman, deceased, Agnes Connell, Domestic servant
(signed) David Black, Minister

Wife
(signed) Annie Kirk, Domestic servant, spinster
23 years old
usual residence Morton
parents - John Kirk, labourer and Agnes Kirk M.S. Jackson
(signed) Thomas Kirk witness Susan Kirk witness
Registered 1875 December 6th, Thornhill- Al?? Harrison? Registrar

When did Joseph CONNELL die?.

Can you please list all the information on the headstone for Joseph CONNELL...and anyone else.

Can you please list all the information on the marriage certificate....everything...everything.

[Rosinish]

Joseph himself gave the name of his father as John on his MC

His son John gave the name of his father as Hough/Hugh on his DC

Is it not more likely (even if untrue), Joseph would know who he was told his father was?

Annie

[goatfish77]

My thoughts exactly and that is why I am keen to find his birth as it’s even more likely that his mother knew who his father was and it may have been recorded at the time.

Joseph himself gave the name of his father as John on his MC

His son John gave the name of his father as Hough/Hugh on his DC

Is it not more likely (even if untrue), Joseph would know who he was told his father was?

Annie

[Rosinish]

Unfortunately for the time it would be a baptism record if it exists.

There's this death but no age given (I can't think why), may be worth looking at for an occ. as Joseph said his father was deceased by 1875 when he married...

1862 - SHIELDS JOHN
DOUGLAS (mms)
871/ 79 Kirkcudbright

Annie

[Forfarian]

There are three baptisms in Edinburgh to William Sheilds and Elizabeth Douglas, in 1819, 1821 and 1825. Could the Kirkcudbright death be an unrecorded child of theirs, perhaps?