John Greaves -1861

[amondg]

1841 Edward Street Kingston Upon Hull

Catherine "Greens"  45 (sp) ink is smudged transcribed as
John 20 Shipwright

both born in county

Next door is a John Railey age 90 corn maker born in County

[amondg]

Robert Graves married Catherine Reyler 13 September 1818 Holy Trinity Kingston Upon Hull

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1861 census- 16 Charles Square, Sculcoates, Kingston Upon Hull

John Graves 38 Shipwright born Hull
Catherine Graves 68 mother /widowed
Catherine 17 Milliner
Robert 11  scholar
Maria 7  scholar

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amondg, I too thought John & Catherine had a different mother. However the poster has a tree on anc* with Catherine's birth cert shown and mother is recorded as Dorothy Lee.

John

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John Graves (Lee) with mother Dorothy in 1841.

Piece:   1231
Book:   5
Folio:   18
Page number:   29
Household Members (Name)   Age
Dorothy Lee   49
Ellenor Lee 21
Dorothy Lee 19
George Lee 10
John Lee 1 Month
Elizabeth Hutchergh 22

A  possible birth for John as he is aged only 1 month in 1841

LEE, JOHN  LEONARD PEARSON    mmn CRO... 
GRO Reference: 1841  J Quarter in SCULCOATES  Volume 22  Page 499

added: forget this birth as he dies 1907

John

[scottsinclair]

1841 Edward Street Kingston Upon Hull

Catherine "Greens"  45 (sp) ink is smudged transcribed as
John 20 Shipwright

both born in county

Next door is a John Railey age 90 corn maker born in County

I like this one; looking at my tree I was unable to locate his mother Catherine in the 1841 census, this would fit in terms of age, occupation, and her marital status. Of course in 1851 John was also on Edward Street. This also provides a location for John Reylar (spelling all over the place in records for this surname), who I otherwise would have presumed to be dead.

slight amendment: The occupation would match that of his father (Shipwright); it's possible he started out in this though. I'm wondering to compare the neighbours either side on the census with those in 1851 which would confirm.

[scottsinclair]

1861 census- 16 Charles Square, Sculcoates, Kingston Upon Hull

John Graves 38 Shipwright born Hull
Catherine Graves 68 mother /widowed
Catherine 17 Milliner
Robert 11  scholar
Maria 7  scholar

Hi, yes this one is his father. It's nice they have 3 generations with the same name, it's also confusing when some were alive at the same time.

Thanks

[amondg]

Rule 1 in family history never trust another's tree, always verify.

To know for sure who Catherine's mother is order the birth certificate proof is better than supposition

Graves, Catherine Graves, March Quarter 1843 registration Sculcoates Vol. 22 page 528

It will give you the mother's maiden name and the address where they were living at the time.

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Amongst, rule 2 is to read the post fully and correctly. The actual birth cert image for Catherine can be viewed on posters tree on ancestry

John