Great grandad - MATTHEWS family

[Ladyhawk]

Family in 1881 - Pemberton, Lancs
Piece:   3779, Folio:   10, Page Number: 14

John Matthews   46 coal miner,  Devon (states Taunton, which is Somerset?)
Eliza Matthews wife   34 Mabe, Cornwall
John Matthews   son 16 Mountain Ash, Glamorgan, Wales
Pricilla M. Matthews   dau 13 Cornwall
Louisa Matthews dau   11 Mountain Ash
Joseph Matthews   son 9 "
Elizabeth E. Matthews   dau 7 "
Harriet Matthews    dau 5 "
James H. Matthews   son 1 Pemberton, Lancs
John Williams lodger, 26 Madron, Cornwall

Mother's maiden name Opie

Marriages Mar  Q 1864   same page
Harris    Amelia        Merthyr T.    11a   462    
Hobbs    Henry        Merthyr T    11a   462    
Matthews    John        Merthyr T    11a   462    
Opey    Eliza        Merthyr T    11a   462    

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For info... 1891 census

20 Sarginson Street, Pemberton, Wigan, Lancashire

John   Williams   Head   Married   1854   Cornwall, coal miner
Eliza   Williams dittoed Wife Married   1849   Cornwall
Lina F   Mathews   Stepdaughter 1870   Cotton spinner   Wales
Betsy   Mathews   Stepdaughter 1874   Cotton spinner   Wales
Harriet   Mathews   Stepdaughter 1876   Doffer in cotton mill   Wales
James   Mathews   Stepson   1880    Pemberton, Lancashire
William   Williams   Son          1882      Pemberton

added is this James' birth entry?

MATTHEWS, JAMES  HENRY     mmn HOPEY 
GRO Reference: 1879  D Quarter in WIGAN  Volume 08C  Page 124

and is this William William's  birth entry

MATTHEWS, WILLIAM  HENRY     mmn OPIE 
GRO Reference: 1878  M Quarter in WIGAN  Volume 08C  Page 139

edit 1871 census

Caradoc Street, Llanwonno, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales

John   MATTHEWS Head   1836   Newton Devon, coal miner
Eliza   Wife   1844 Mabe Cornwall
John   Son   1865 Merthyr Glamorgan, Wales
Prudence   Daughter   1868   St Athens Cornwall
Laura Jane    Daughter   1870   Llanwono Glamorgan, Wales
James OPIE lodger single 1843 St Athens Cornwall, stone mason
George Miles lodger

1873 Bpt Laura Jane https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X1R1-2PX
1874 Bpt Elizabeth Ellen https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X1R1-G8G

[Ladyhawk]

 Chloebolton22 - hope the information already posted has been of some help to you.

If Rose Ann Plum(b) is the mother of the Wilfred Matthews you are looking for this might be her on the census.......

1891 24 Broom Street https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7W6M-LMM

1901 24 Broom Street Wigan  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9GB-T75

29 Apr 1874 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire

Joseph Plumb born 8 Apr
parents Joseph Plumb occ waterman & Harriet
 
Abode: Scotland Road


18 Aug 1879 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire

Sarah Ellen Plum born 27 Jul
parents Joseph Plum occ waterman & Harriet

Abode: Lamberhead Green
 

2 Dec 1883 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire

Roshannah Plumb  born 19 Jun 1882
parents Joseph Plumb Occupation: Waterman & Harriet
Abode: Leader St. Pemberton 
above details from Lancashire OPC  

PLUMB, JOSEPH   mmn PRESCOTT
GRO Reference: 1874  J Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 40   

PLUM, SARAH  ELLEN   mmn PRESCOT
GRO Reference: 1879  S Quarter in WIGAN  Volume 08C  Page 122   

PLUM, ROSANNA   mmn PRESCOTT
GRO Reference: 1883  S Quarter in WIGAN  Volume 08C  Page 115
details from GRO indexes   

1881 census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q272-XRQV
1, Leader Street, Pemberton, Wigan, Lancashire
Joseph   Plumb   Head   Married   1833   Boatman (barge)   Northwich, Cheshire
Harriett   Plumb   Wife   Married   1850   Boatman wife   Widnes, Lancashire
Alice Ann   Plumb   Daughter   Single   1868   Spinner in cotton mill   Liverpool, Lancashire
Mary Elizabeth   Plumb   Daughter   Single   1871   Liverpool, Lancashire
Sarah Ellen   Plumb   Daughter   Single   1880   Pemberton, Lancashire

Burial: 9 Aug 1884 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire
Joseph Plumb age 51 Abode: Lamberhead Green Pemberton
details from Lancashire OPC

1891 24 Broom Street https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7W6M-LMM

1901 24 Broom Street Wigan  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9GB-T75

When you are next back online please let us know what you think 

[Chloebolton22]

Thanks everyone

[brigidmac]

So Eliza married the lodger !and had a child with him in 1882 william Williams

So first husband must have died ..or left between 1881 census and 1882

[Chloebolton22]

Hi 👋 I’m tracing to find more on my relatives who are of my nans side of the family

James Henry Matthews
Born 12/08/1880 Pemberton, Lancashire Census 1911 Coal Miner Hewer
Census 1921 Miner (Getter)
Died 24/03/1960 Aged 80
Wigan, Lancashire

Roseanna Plum(b)
Born 19/06/1883 Wigan, Lancashire. Married 02/06/1906 St. Marks, Newtown, Wigan, Lancashire Census 1921 Home Duties
Death Registered Dec Qtr 1921 Aged 38 Wigan, Lancashire

Any information anyone can find of this post. Will be much appreciated and a great help

[mckha489]

Transcript of marriage at Lancashire OPC

Marriage: 2 Jun 1906 St Mark, Newtown, Pemberton, Lancashire
James Henry Matthews - 26, Collier, Bachelor, 20 Sarginson St.
Roseanna Plum - (X), 22, Spinner, Spinster, 7 Soho St.
    Groom's Father: John Matthews, deceased, Collier
    Bride's Father: Joseph Plum, deceased, Ship's Captain
    Witnesses: James Orme; Margaret Orme
    Married by Banns by F. C. Shirtcliff Curate
    Register: Marriages 1903 - 1914, Page 63, Entry 125


All the advice on your other posts applicable here for getting further forward or back as you wish.

[Chloebolton22]

Hi, thanks for this information so far.

On the last sense at the bottom what did you mean by going back or forward?

[mckha489]

Well, are you trying to find their parents and brothers & sisters.or their children?
So back for ancestors and forward for descendants.

I presume, since you have their exact births that you have their birth certificates.
(If not, where did the birth info come from?)

So you already know their mother’s names?
And can use the GROnsite to find siblings
And use the various name combinations to find them in the census

[Chloebolton22]

Hi,

My Nan has the census of the name that’s how I know this