Great grandad - MATTHEWS family

[Chloebolton22]

Moderator comment: January 2025 - Three topics have been merged to create this thread.  There may be repeated information as a result.  Hopefully there are not too many - nor too many loose ends!


I’m trying to find more information about Wilfred Mathews so far I’ve found that he died 30th September 1980. Pennington Lane, Ince and that he was born Wilfred Mathews born 3rd June 1907 Wigan and he was married to Ellen Matthew's. If anyone can help find more information that will be great

[MonicaL]

Hi ChloeBolton22

Welcome to RootsChat 

Would this happen to be your family tree on Ancestry? www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/184820724/person/322412992184/facts

If so, not sure about the parents you are showing for Wilfred. There is this birth which would fit for Wilfred from what you have mentioned:

MATTHEWS, WILFRED        PLUMB (mother's maiden name)    
GRO Reference: 1907  S Quarter in WIGAN  Volume 08C  Page 118

Have you checked for father's name on Wilfred's marriage registration to Ellen Ralph (1st Qrt 1932 8c/62)?

Failing to see Wilfred on the 1911 census so far. Have you searched for him on this and the 1921 census?  Have you found his 1939 register entry with wife Ellen? Added: Just found them for 1939. He is consistent with a birth date of 3 June 1907.

Monica

[MonicaL]

These are the details for that 1907 birth mentioned above with mother showing as Plumb:

Baptism: 13 Nov 1907 St Mark, Newtown, Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Wilfred Matthews - [Child] of James Henry Matthews & Rose Ann
    Born: 3 Jun 1907
    Abode: 58 Soho Street
    Occupation: Collier
    Baptised by: J. Hunt Newberry
    Register: Baptisms 1901 - 1909, Page 100, Entry 800
    Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Monica

[MonicaL]

And the marriage from the same site:

Marriage: 2 Jan 1932 Christ Church, Ince, Lancashire, England
Wilfred Matthews - 24, Collier, Bachelor, 212 Warrington Road Abram
Ellen Ralph - 22, Spinster, 13 Bird Street
    Groom's Father: James Henry Matthews, Collier
    Bride's Father: Charles Ralph, Deceased, Collier
    Witness: George Allan; Mary Belshaw
    Married by Banns by: A. Stout Curate
    Register: Marriages 1927 - 1935, Page 140, Entry 280
    Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

Monica

[MonicaL]

And again from www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html you have parents' marriage:

Marriage: 2 Jun 1906 St Mark, Newtown, Pemberton, Lancashire, England
James Henry Matthews - 26, Collier, Bachelor, 20 Sarginson St.
Roseanna Plum - (X), 22, Spinner, Spinster, 7 Soho St.
    Groom's Father: John Matthews, deceased, Collier
    Bride's Father: Joseph Plum, deceased, Ship's Captain
    Witness: James Orme; Margaret Orme
    Married by Banns by: F. C. Shirtcliff Curate
    Register: Marriages 1903 - 1914, Page 63, Entry 125
    Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

Monica

[MonicaL]

Can't easily see them in 1911 so far.

This looks a possible death for mother Rose Ann:

4th Qrt 1921   
Rose A Matthews 38   Wigan 8c/ 29

With this likely date range for her death, you should hopefully be able to find her with family on the 1921 census.

Monica

[Cas (stallc)]

1921 census free index

Wilfred Mathews b1907 in Newtown, Lancashire, family living Wigan Lancashire

Wilfred, James and Rosaton are on this record.

Spellings as on census index, you would have to view record for full info.

Welcome to Rootschat 

Cas

[Ladyhawk]

Hello & welcome to Rootschat

Searching the address from the marriage details posted for James Henry Mathew there is this James Matthew on 1901 census

20, Sarginson Street, New Town, Pemberton, Wigan

John   Williams   Head   Single               Coal miner hewer Cornwall
Eliza   Matthew   Boarder   Widow      Cornwall
James   Matthew   Boarder   Single    Labourer in coal mine   Pemberton, Lancashire
William   Matthew   Boarder   Single Pemberton, Lancashire

found James & Rose with their child on 1911 census their surname Matthiews
3 children born 1 living 2 died

20 Sargison St Pemberton, Lancashire

Eliza   Head   Widow   1853      Treneleth Mabe
James   Son   Married   1880   Coal miner hewer Wigan Lancs
Rose   Daughter   Married   1884      Lamberhead Green Lancs
Winifred   Daughter      1907      Lancs Pemberton
John   Williams   Boarder   Single 1854   Colliery timberman underground   Cornwall Madron

Added

link to 1911 census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWYD-ZLM - has there been a mistake on the 1911 census naming Wilfred as Winifred - the schedule was signed by John WILLIAMS


another possible child

MATTHEWS, JAMES   mmn PLUM
GRO Reference: 1911  J Quarter in WIGAN  Volume 08C  Page 131   

edit death for a James Matthews age 0 in Wigan Jun 1911

[Cas (stallc)]

Family in 1881 - Pemberton, Lancs
Piece:   3779, Folio:   10, Page Number: 14

John Matthews   46 coal miner,  Devon (states Taunton, which is Somerset?)
Eliza Matthews wife   34 Mabe, Cornwall
John Matthews   son 16 Mountain Ash, Glamorgan, Wales
Pricilla M. Matthews   dau 13 Cornwall
Louisa Matthews dau   11 Mountain Ash
Joseph Matthews   son 9 "
Elizabeth E. Matthews   dau 7 "
Harriet Matthews    dau 5 "
James H. Matthews   son 1 Pemberton, Lancs
John Williams lodger, 26 Madron, Cornwall

Mother's maiden name Opie (Added: not checked all children)

Marriages Mar  Q 1864   same page
Harris    Amelia        Merthyr T.    11a   462    
Hobbs    Henry        Merthyr T    11a   462    
Matthews    John        Merthyr T    11a   462    
Opey    Eliza        Merthyr T    11a   462    

Cas