Joseph Jones Birmingham

[Zakerias]

Hi everyone

Once again asking for help in tracking someone down

• Joseph Jones born c. 1843 in Grendon, Warwickshire to William and Ann.
• Moves to Birmingham and marries Mary R Holford in 1869.
• Has five children with Mary until last child Lester R Jones in 1880.
• Listed as Widow in 1891 census, Martha Wells born c. 1842 is listed as a visitor.
• 1901 living with wife Martha.
• 1911 census living with son Lewis H Jones, with wife Martha (listed as married for 19 years)

Had a search on the 1921 census and cannot find Joseph or Martha, so I'm assuming both have died at this point.

Joseph's son Maurice E Jones marries Rhoda Cox in Apr 1914. Joseph is listed as the father but deceased is not present, so I'm assuming he is still alive in Apr 1914.

Could anyone help me locate Joseph? Any information on Joseph/Martha would be helpful at this point. I can't find a marriage to Martha or death/burials for either.

[maddys52]

Possible marriage - Joseph JONES and Martha Sophia WELLS on the same page Dec qtr 1891 Axbridge (5c/999).
(Though I realise it's a long way from Birmingham.)

[AMBLY]

Hello :-)

The Axbridge, Somerset, marriage is definitely worth a look (good find Maddys52     )

Martha Sophia WELLS
Born 28 June 1841, dau of George Henry & Emm Wells of Branston St, Merchants Clerk, baptised 27 Jan 1842 at Birmingham St Phillip.

Thereafter in all the Census she is only ever listed as Martha (and her siblings also, no middle names listed but were baptised with one)
1851: At 38 Branston St, Birmingham All Saints
Martha WELLS age 9, with parents George & Emma,  & siblings

1861: At Grover? St, Aston Manor,  Warks,
Martha WELLS 19, with parents George & Emma,  & siblings

1871: At 112 Bradford St, Bordesley, Warks:   
Martha WELLS 29, unm, with parents George & Emma & siblings

1881:  115 Belgrave Rd, Edgbaston, Warks,
Martha WELLS 40, unm, b Birmingham - with parents George & Emma

Siblings: Charlotte Caroline Wells ( b 1842, d 1872), George Henry Wells, b 1844

Possible death:
Martha S Jones
D Mar Qtr 1933 Birmingham , age 92

Cheers
AMBLY

[amondg]

Martha Sophia Jones age 79 is living with a nephew 1921.

Look for Somerville Road, Birmingham

[amondg]

There is a Joseph Jones age 73 death recorded June Quarter of 1920. Birmingham

The age is out a bit, but he gets younger each census.

ADDED

Just noticed you think he has died before 1914.

Try this one

December Quarter registered Aston 6d 382 Joseph Jones aged 67

[trish1120]

Although M/C does not say deceased he may be.

This is often the case if the question is not asked by the Vicar/Registrar etc

[Zakerias]

Possible marriage - Joseph JONES and Martha Sophia WELLS on the same page Dec qtr 1891 Axbridge (5c/999).
(Though I realise it's a long way from Birmingham.)

Thanks maddys, I'll look into this one. Part of me thought they weren't married, or that Mary was really Martha, but I'm pretty sure they did marry but couldn't find anything. Perfect daterange too.

Martha Sophia Jones age 79 is living with a nephew 1921.

Look for Somerville Road, Birmingham

Unfortunately I don't have access to the 1921 census - I can only search and hover the image/transcript on FindMyPast. I am only subscribed to Ancestry.

There is a Joseph Jones age 73 death recorded June Quarter of 1920. Birmingham

The age is out a bit, but he gets younger each census.

ADDED

Just noticed you think he has died before 1914.

Try this one

December Quarter registered Aston 6d 382 Joseph Jones aged 67

Sorry, died after 1914 (as Joseph isn't listed as deceased on his son's marriage cert). Others in the book are, so I'm guessing he is still alive at that point.

I looked at the one in Aston previously, the age is about right but this record isn't him. On the deart cert A. Jones widow of deceased (present at the death) is listed and we know his wife was M. Jones. The sub-district of Aston Manor is also slightly out - so I'll look at the one for 1920

[Zakerias]

Possible marriage - Joseph JONES and Martha Sophia WELLS on the same page Dec qtr 1891 Axbridge (5c/999).
(Though I realise it's a long way from Birmingham.)

Hello :-)

The Axbridge, Somerset, marriage is definitely worth a look (good find Maddys52     )

Martha Sophia WELLS
Born 28 June 1841, dau of George Henry & Emm Wells of Branston St, Merchants Clerk, baptised 27 Jan 1842 at Birmingham St Phillip.

Thereafter in all the Census she is only ever listed as Martha (and her siblings also, no middle names listed but were baptised with one)
1851: At 38 Branston St, Birmingham All Saints
Martha WELLS age 9, with parents George & Emma,  & siblings

1861: At Grover? St, Aston Manor,  Warks,
Martha WELLS 19, with parents George & Emma,  & siblings

1871: At 112 Bradford St, Bordesley, Warks:   
Martha WELLS 29, unm, with parents George & Emma & siblings

1881:  115 Belgrave Rd, Edgbaston, Warks,
Martha WELLS 40, unm, b Birmingham - with parents George & Emma

Siblings: Charlotte Caroline Wells ( b 1842, d 1872), George Henry Wells, b 1844

Possible death:
Martha S Jones
D Mar Qtr 1933 Birmingham , age 92

Cheers
AMBLY

Hi

Thank you for the information, I have the GRO marriage certificate now.

Maddys52 you were correct. Listed on the marriage certificate - Joseph Jones, 48, Widower, 10 Spiceal(?) Street Birmingham, Father William Jones (Butcher). Martha Sophia Wells is exactly as AMBLY described. 10 Spiceal Street is the same address listed for Joseph and Martha in the 1891 Census.

Why in 1891, they’d marry over 100 miles away from Birmingham, is a mystery to me. It also lists his father William as a butcher, when all evidence I have points to him being a miner. Though William did pass away when Joseph was only 13.

Martha Sophia Jones age 79 is living with a nephew 1921.

Look for Somerville Road, Birmingham

I’ve added this information for Martha now – as we now know that she was married to Joseph. The fact that she is living with her nephew in 1921 makes it likely that Joseph had died.

I had a little look at https://birminghamburialrecords.co.uk/ which only has two records for “Joseph Jones” buried in 1920 – neither of which are likely to be him. Next step is to order the death cert for the following, which you identified, I think:

Name:   Joseph Jones
Death Age:   73
Birth Date:   abt 1847
Registration Date:   Apr 1920
[May 1920]
[Jun 1920]
Registration Quarter:   Apr-May-Jun
Registration District:   Birmingham
Inferred County:   Warwickshire
Volume:   6d
Page:   226

[maddys52]

Glad you found the marriage for them. Like you, I wonder why they married 100 miles away. Maybe they were on a "holiday" and decided on a whim to tie the knot away from family?