Elizabeth Bond - where did she go?

[ali.]

Hi all, looking to find a death record for my 3rd great grandmother, Elizabeth Bond (nee Larkin).

She was born at 30 Clowes St in Salford, Lancashire on 26 Feb 1863. Parents are Patrick Larkin, an Irish Catholic immigrant (1838-1905) and Ann Hulmes, a Salford girl (1840-1915).

She married lamplighter John Bond in St Stephen's Church Salford 31 Dec 1883. They had five children before his death in 1895. She moved back to Clowes St in Salford after his death to be with her family.

She had an illegitimate daughter (my 2xggm) in 1896, Clowes St. In the 1901 Census she lives at no 25 Clowes St. By 1911 Census she has moved away to 8 Frederick St, Bloom St, Salford where she lives with her children, siblings and widowed mother Ann. (only her brother Patrick lives here in the 1921 Census).

I can't locate her after this point. I have tried the 1921 Census but couldn't find her previously. There was only one possible death record I have found for her, registered in Chorlton in 1920 (which would explain why she wasn't in the census), but FindAGrave has a picture of this Elizabeth Bond's gravestone, which names her mother as Alice Knowles who died in 1920 - so she can't be the Elizabeth Bond i'm looking for.

I haven't found any remarriage for her after 1911. Does she die, move away, remarry and change her name etc? I'm not sure. Any help locating her after 1911 would be appreciated!!

Ali 

[heywood]

Is that her mother’s death in 1915? Who registered it? (Hoping that it might be Elizabeth).

[garstonite]

you need to check this - Ann Hulmes you have - baptism record shows HOLMES -

Baptism: 5 ? 1863 Cathedral Church of St John the Evangelist, Salford, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Larkin - filia Patricii Larkin & Annae (formerly Holmes)
    Born: 26 Feb 1863
    Abode: 30 Clowes St.
    Godparents: Michael Ward; Maria Cath. Fisher
    Baptised by: C. J. Gadd, M. C.
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Marriage: 31 Dec 1883 St Stephen, Salford, Lancashire, England
John Bond - 23, Labourer, Bachelor, 15 Brunswick St.
Elizabeth Larkin - (X), 20, Spinster, 15 Brunswick St.
    Groom's Father: Richard Bond, Hooker
    Bride's Father: Patrick Larkin, Fustian Cutter
    Witness: William Price, (X); Jane Sophia Bond, (X)
    Married by Banns by: George Hayden, Curate
........................................................................................
Baptism: 3 Nov 1884 St Peter, Greengate, Lancashire, England
Joannes Patricius Bond - filius Joannis Bond & Elisabethae (formerly Larkin)
    Born: 7 Oct 1884
    Abode: 22 Clewes St.
    Godparents: Maria Anna Larkin
    Baptised by: E. Goetgeluck
    Register: Baptisms 1877 - 1886, Page 312, Entry 1659
    Source: Original Register
Baptism: 8 Aug 1886 St Peter, Greengate, Lancashire, England
Anna Bond - filia Joannis Bond & Elisabethae (formerly Larkin)
    Born: 26 Jun 1886
    Abode: 1 Clewes St.
    Godparents: Maria Anna Larkin
    Baptised by: E. Goetgeluck, M. C.
    Register: Baptisms 1886 - 1902, Page 9
    Source: Original Register
Baptism: 2 Sep 1888 St Peter, Greengate, Lancashire, England
Elisabetha Bond - filia Joannis Bond & Elisabethae (formerly Larkin)
    Born: 18 Jul 1888
    Abode: 12 Clewes St.
    Godparents: Maria Anna Larkin
    Baptised by: E. Goetgeluck
    Register: Baptisms 1886 - 1902, Page 76
    Source: Original Register
Baptism: 7 Dec 1890 Mother of God and St James, Pendleton, Lancashire, England
Carolus Bond - filius Joannis Bond & Elizabeth (formerly Larkin)
    Born: 1 Nov 1890
    Abode: Franchise St.
    Godparents: Selina Maria Kirwan
    Baptised by: P. J. Markey
    Register: Baptisms 1883 - 1897, Page 412
    Source: Salford Diocesan Archives
Baptism: 13 Nov 1893 Mother of God and St James, Pendleton, Lancashire, England
Julia Bond - filia Johannis Bond & Elisabeth (formerly Larkin)
    Born: 10 Oct 1893
    Abode: Raven St.
    Godparents: Margarita Occleston
    Baptised by: Gustavo W. Saffenreuter
    Register: Baptisms 1883 - 1897, Page 555
    Source: Salford Diocesan Archives
Baptism: 6 Nov 1896 Cathedral Church of St John the Evangelist, Salford, Lancashire, England
Edith Bond - [Child] of Joannis Bond & Elizabethae (formerly Larkin)
    Born: 15 Sep 1896
    Abode: 14 Clowes Street
    Godparents: Carolina Heyes
    Baptised by: Jacobo Taylor
    Register: Baptisms 1894 - 1901, Page 176
    Source: Original Register

Do you have all this info - ?

[ali.]

Still waiting on the death cert! Hopefully it'll give me an address to cross-reference with the 1921 Census if it's Eliz who signs it, but Ann had a large family, so could be anyone.

And yes thank you garstonite I did have that info! (Lan-opc is a lifesaver for this lot). She did have one more illegitimate child baptised in 1881

Baptism: 27 Nov 1881 St Peter, Greengate, Salford, Lancashire, England
Josephus Larkin filius Elizabeth Larkin
Born: 9 Nov 1881
Abode: 14 Clowes Street
Godparents: Lydia Price
Baptised by: Eduardo O'Connell

I've looked through Clowes St manually in the 1921 Census and haven't found any obvious relatives yet. I assume she dies between 1911 and 1921 but simply can't find a death record if that's the case 

[heywood]

Isn’t it odd.
I saw that death re Elizabeth Bond, Chorlton and as her daughter was in that area in 1921, I thought that would be right. However, it was the same on that you mentioned

[Radcliff]

There are quite a few burial records for
Elizabeth Bonds in the Manchester online Burial records search,
8 in total ,perhaps cross reference them with free BMD ,

example Manchester burials has Elizabeth Bond buried 2/6/1920 Southern Cemetery Unconsecrated ,buried with an Alice Knowles , grave 514, Lancashire BMD ,possibly have a death recorded Elizabeth Bond aged 63 years , Charlton on  Medlock Manchester 1920 this one you know isn't yours,

the other possible but doubtful as its consecrated ground is6/2/ 1936 Consecrated, Southern cemetery , her death is possibly Cheetham Manchester 1936 on Lancashire BMD aged 74

[ali.]

There are quite a few burial records for
Elizabeth Bonds in the Manchester online Burial records search,
8 in total ,perhaps cross reference them with free BMD ,

example Manchester burials has Elizabeth Bond buried 2/6/1920 Southern Cemetery Unconsecrated ,buried with an Alice Knowles , grave 514, Lancashire BMD ,possibly have a death recorded Elizabeth Bond aged 63 years , Charlton on  Medlock Manchester 1920 this one you know isn't yours,

the other possible but doubtful as its consecrated ground is6/2/ 1936 Consecrated, Southern cemetery , her death is possibly Cheetham Manchester 1936 on Lancashire BMD aged 74

I'll check out the Cheetham death in 1936 in a bit more detail - and forgive me, but what is the difference between unconsecrated and consecrated? I know that in theory it's religiously blessed ground versus general non-religiously blessed ground, but in official records does it have a more specific meaning? such as Catholic, Anglican etc. Most of my ancestors in Manchester were buried in unconsecrated ground even if they were religious, so I assume it might have something to do with money, as they were mostly very poor.

I got back her mum Ann Larkin's death cert, died 1 Aug 1915 at 8 Frederick Street, but the informant was her son Patrick, so no updates on Elizabeth from there.

[Radcliff]

Consecrated is Church of England , 
Non Consecrated anything else, Non conformist,