Burntshiels & Variants

[castlebob]

I noticed that Burntshiels (Burntsheals, Bruntshiels etc), is very close to the Anglo-Scottish Border.
It appears to be located a short distance south of Kershopefoot, and north-east of Caulside.
My question is is it actually in England or Scotland now? Also, where was it classed as being in the early 18th C.

Many thanks,

Bob

[AlanBoyd]

I can’t find it.

Here is a side-by-side view showing the nearest name: Bentshield Knowe. But the river – Liddel Water – is the border, so if you know where it is in relation to that then I think this will tell you where it is now.

https://tinyurl.com/yc8frv25

[castlebob]

Thanks, Alan. I've found a Bruntshiel Hill (sic) which is located between Caulside and Langholm. I also found a Hearth Tax  entry under Castleton Parish for Bruntsheals (sic). I think this more or less points to it being Scottish.
Cheers,
Bob

[Forfarian]

Basically the Border hasn't moved significantly, if at all, since the Union of the Crowns in 1603 so if you have found it in Scotland, it's almost certainly still in Scotland. (Berwick-upon-Tweed last moved from Scotland to England in 1482.)

The Bruntshiel between Caulside and Langholm is in Dumfries-shire, not in Roxburghshire, so if you are looking for a place of that name in Roxburghshire, it's the wrong place.

Bruntshiel(d)(s)/Burntshiel(d)(s) occurs in various parts of Scotland. In particular it occurs in the parishes of Canonbie and Tinwald in Dumfries-shire and in the parishes of Cavers and Teviothead in Roxburghshire. However these are from the Ordnance Survey Name Books compiled around 1850, and it may be that the one you are looking for had disappeared before then.

See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758930.0

So if you wish to identify the Burntshiels you are looking for, please state where you came across the place name: type of record, year of record, and, most important of all which parish it is in. Also useful to state any other information in the original records, especially names of people mentioned.

Parish of Canonbie, Dumfries-shire https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NY4082
Parish of Tinwald, Dumfries-shire https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NY0283
Parishes of Cavers and Teviothead, Roxburghshire https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NT4701 (the burn forms the boundary between the two parishes)

I have yet to find the one in the parish of Castleton on any map.

[castlebob]

Thanks for the info. I did a screenshot of the entry, but can't find it for the life of me! I've worked
back through the sites I visited, but no joy.
Anyway, other findings mean that this line of research isn't so important after all.
Your efforts much appreciated.
Cheers,
Bob

[castlebob]

I've found a note I made, as follows:
Adam Armstrong baptized 1709. Bruntsheals.  Entry recorded in Hearth Tax records, Castleton, Rox and DGNHS vol 23.
It's not so important now as we are using Y-DNA to prove a relationship.

[castlebob]

I've attached a very poor quality section taken from 'Mosstrooper Places in Liddesdale'. Not sure where I got it from. No 66 on the map appears to be Kershope, while No 65 is listed as High Mangerton and No 64 is Catheugh. Bruntsheells is listed as an alternative to Burntshiels.

[castlebob]

A slightly larger version showing a section of the Anglo-Scottish border.