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Re: Edwin Woodhouse Angelina Hamlin
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 05 January 23 08:14 GMT (UK) »
Not what you are looking for but the second marriage of "Lena"......

1908 marriage- Thomas -Woodhouse

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/HNS19080430.2.9?end_date=31-12-1912&phrase=2&query=james+hamlin&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1879&type=ARTICLE


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Re: Edwin Woodhouse Angelina Hamlin
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 05 January 23 08:53 GMT (UK) »
Edward/Edwin are inter changable christian names.
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Re: Edwin Woodhouse Angelina Hamlin
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 05 January 23 09:49 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: minniehaha on Thursday 05 January 23 08:14 GMT (UK)
Not what you are looking for but the second marriage of "Lena"......

1908 marriage- Thomas -Woodhouse

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/HNS19080430.2.9?end_date=31-12-1912&phrase=2&query=james+hamlin&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1879&type=ARTICLE


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Oh that's good, I wasn't looking for a "Lena" earlier.  :)

There is this arrival of a Lena HAMLIN from London in November 1879. Presumably the same person?
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18791126.2.7?

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Re: Edwin Woodhouse Angelina Hamlin
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 05 January 23 14:42 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: CHERAN on Thursday 05 January 23 03:28 GMT (UK)

now if I could only confirm his Death!

Cheran

....   to date, you haven't given details of Edwin WOODHOUSE's year of birth (approx. is okay).

That may help us in locating his death.

     ~  Lu

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Re: Edwin Woodhouse Angelina Hamlin
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 05 January 23 18:22 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for all the help! The Articles re Angelina have been a great help!  I have the census with her in 1871 in England!

I believe Edward/Edwin birth is approx 1860....

Cheran 

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Re: Edwin Woodhouse Angelina Hamlin
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 05 January 23 21:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi CHERAN

... yes, 1860 is a date given in one or two of the online trees.    But as these trees look to have been  copied from one, to the next, that appears to be a guessed-at date ?   

Couldn't find that any of the tree "owners" had a copy of the 1889 NZ marriage record (printout), which would offer greater information ?     And there is of course no "place of birth" or parental info for Edwin WOODHOUSE in those trees.

*  Are you able to contact "the tree owners" for further details ?    Especially the ones who have given the supposed death at Penrith (AUS) on 19 June 1907 ???

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Re: Edwin Woodhouse Angelina Hamlin
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 05 January 23 22:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi CHERAN

I was a bit "suspicious" when I saw in the notice of Angelina's second marriage - 1908 to Percy THOMAS - that she wasn't named as "the widow of ....Edwin WOODHOUSE" - but rather the name of her late father was given ??      That made me want to search a little further.  ;D

I had earlier made a cursory glance of two of the online trees (via James E WOODHOUSE- son) but that was after I'd made other searches of records.

And it now seems that this HAMLIN-WOODHOUSE marriage was very brief :

Electoral rolls don't always give a precise "picture" of a persons' whereabouts at a given time, but they're still a useful tool.   
It appears that Angelina resided in Taranaki for the most part (-she's on the Hawera roll until 1908)- whilst Edwin WOODHOUSE only ever appeared in Auckland at one address - and later with "a seaman's voting right".

I found that Edwin WOODHOUSE was still alive in 1902 (and possibly still living in NZ ?) - and  at that time, incurring debts which saw his name in Court records.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19021017.2.56
... [ these claims were heard in the Auckland Court - the one involving Mary Ann CAIRNS, might need further investigation - it could though be a claim for lodging or board costs ?? ]
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19021018.2.68
  ... just found ... as Mary Jane CAIRNS in this report.

Prior to the 1902 claim by Angelina WOODHOUSE (which was probably maintenace for her son James ? ), there were some earlier claims too.

1900 >
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19000906.2.4

1899 >
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18991125.2.9

1902 >   claim against Edwin WOODHOUSE by B C ROBERTS
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19021204.2.16

   ~  Lu
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Re: Edwin Woodhouse Angelina Hamlin
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 05 January 23 22:51 GMT (UK) »
Hi again Cheran

There are a number of "peculiarities" concerning the life of Angelina HAMLIN / WOODHOUSE / THOMAS, but helpfully, there are "answers" amongst the records.

This is the Probate file for Angelina Isabella Eade THOMAS (Intestate) - who died at Suva, Fiji, in September 1921  >
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE49388873

So, although she hadn't left a Will, there is ample evidence provided in testimony by her huband Percy THOMAS.

There were three daughters born to the couple before they married in April of 1908.

Their names are variously spelled* in the documents and also in Angelina's Death Certificate, which can be viewed at Image # 9.   
"P. THOMAS" is signatory to the Death of Angelina so the info he has supplied about the children of the marriage, is supposedly correct.  He has also testified in another document about these daughters, which also mentions his step-son (Angelina's child by previous marriage).

*  ..."their names are variously spelled... "    Births of these daughters were not registered under the surname of THOMAS  ... an explanation follows in next post >

      ~   Lu                                          ... see next  > >

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Re: Edwin Woodhouse Angelina Hamlin
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 05 January 23 23:22 GMT (UK) »
Angelina Isabella HAMLIN / WOODHOUSE / THOMAS +  Percy THOMAS :

The New Zealand (online) Birth Index has the births of children, mentioned in Probate document as the issue of the marriage of Angelina WOODHOUSE and Percy THOMAS (19008), registered as
follows  :  >

1896 - VALE - Kathleen Aleen - parents :  Selina and Edward
   [DofB :  13 January 1896 ]   

1898 - VALE Thelma Iverna - parents :   Sarah and Edwin
   [DofB :  10 October 1898 ]

1901 - VALE - Athen Clara - parents :  Selina and Edward
   [DofB : 8 January 1901 ]

Apparently the girls were known as "Eileen" / "Iverna" and "Clair"  :

[Notes:   Each of above births were registered at Wellington :     Dates of Birth have been deduced from their registration listings on the NZ Birth Index, (online) :    Parents names are as given on index listing - "Sarah" may be a mis-transcription - perhaps name was intended as "Selina" ???  ]
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Cheran ... wasn't sure if you had knowledge of these daughters ??   

Does seem there was possibly an attempt to "disguse" precise names of parents (as well as adopting another surname)  ???

I did do a check of records to see if Edwin/Edward WOODHOUSE may have been masquerading as "Mr VALE" (- just out of curiosity).   NIL found ... and Edwin WOODHOUSE was NOT found either in NZ Police Gazettes  (where "desertions from family" or claims for non-payment of maintenance are often published).

       ~  Lu

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