Author Topic: Kilmory - Is "Crawford" the same as "McGraffan"  (Read 862 times)

Offline Rosinish

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Re: Kilmory - Is "Crawford" the same as "McGraffan"
« Reply #18 on: Friday 03 February 23 00:06 GMT (UK) »
My gggrandmother was variously referred to in the OPRs and civil registration documents as "Barron", "Scott" and also as "Barron or Scott". On her death cert her father is listed as David Barron who was indeed the husband of Isabella's mother however he died in 1818 and she was b. 1828. I can't find a baptism for her but have concluded that probably her biological father was a Scott.
Maybe something similar with your Isabel?
It's obvious whoever registered her death assumed her father to have been David Barron.

However, she was correctly named as Barron as it was her mother's legal surname.

What was the maiden name of her mother which is another surname she would/could/should have been known by, being as she was born illegitimately.

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Re: Kilmory - Is "Crawford" the same as "McGraffan"
« Reply #19 on: Friday 03 February 23 01:00 GMT (UK) »
Yes I know her birth parish and no there's nothing in the Kirk Sessions nor was she baptised under Scott, Barron or Bisset (her mother's maiden name). Also no record of her or her mother being married at any time to a Scott.
Oh, just realised I had forgotten to mention that my gggrandmother's first name was Isabella though I'm sure you have all worked that out!
Just putting it out there that the OP's Isabel Crawford or McGraffan may also be due to a similar circumstance.
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Re: Kilmory - Is "Crawford" the same as "McGraffan"
« Reply #20 on: Friday 03 February 23 02:23 GMT (UK) »
In case someone else is looking at this in the future, I'll set out what I have (which by the way is all set out on the FamilySearch tree which I referenced earlier in this thread):

1772 Kilmory Kirk Session Minutes:
January 23rd, DANIEL McNEIL in Kildonnen and his spouse ISBEL CRAUFORD rebuked for antenuptial fornification

1773 Bap of dau Mary, to Daniel McNeal & Isabel CRAWFORD, in Kilmory
1775 Bap of dau Cathrine, to Donald McNeil & Isabel McGRAFFAN, in Kilmory
1778 Bap of dau Mary, to Donald McNeil & NcGRAFFAN, in Kilmory
1780 Bap of son William, to "Donald MacNeil & Isabel CRAWFORD his wife in Dippin" [per actual Record], in Kilmory
1784 Bap of son Allan, to Donald MacNeil & Isabel CRAWFORD, in Kilmory
1787 Bap of son Robert, to Donald MacNeil & Isabel CRAWFORD, in Kilmory
1790 Bap of dau Janet, to Donald MacNeil & Isabel CRAWFORD, in Kilmory
1792 Bap of dau Janet, to Donald MacNeil & Isabel CRAWFORD, in Kilmory
1796 Bap of son Donald, to Donald MacNeil & Isabel CRAWFORD, in Kilmory

(So there were actually two children recorded with mother as McGraffan - so not just a one-off error)

1841 Census at Dipping, Kilmory, Bute:
ROBT McNiel, 50, Farmer, born Bute [son Robert b1787]
CATHARINE McNiel, 65, born Bute [dau Catherine b1775]
Janet McNiel, 10, born Bute [dau of son Allan b1784]

1851 Census at Dipping, Kilmory, Bute:
ROBERT McNiel, head, 63 [c1788], single, Pauper Formerly Farmer, born Dipping, Bute [son Robert b1787]
CATHERINE McNiel, sister, 75 [c1776], single, Pauper, born Kildonnan, Bute [dau Catherine b1775]
[Their birth places tying in with the parents initially being in Kildonnan (per 1772 Kirk Session rebuke) and then being in Dipping (per son William's 1780 bap)]

1858 SP Death Index: ROBERT McNeil, age 70 [c1788], mother's maiden name Crawford, in Kilmory, Bute
1858 SP Death Index: CATHERINE McNiel, age 82 [c1776], mother's maiden name Crawford, in Kilmory, Bute

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Re: Kilmory - Is "Crawford" the same as "McGraffan"
« Reply #21 on: Friday 03 February 23 04:32 GMT (UK) »
As a quick ancilliary exercise I looked at 1750-1800 Bute marriages for any McGraffans and found two:
1765 Donald McGRAFAN & Elspa Lamont, in Kilmory
1766 Donald McGRAFAN & Janet Curry, in Kilmory

Kilmory has births to:
Donald McGRAFFAN (no mother named) in 1775 and 1778
Donald McGRAFFAN & Janet Currie in 1779 [Birth Record has them "in Clachog]
Daniel CRAUFORD (no mother named) in 1771 and 1772
Donald CRAWFORD & Janet Curry in 1782 and 1786

(Found no marriages for another couple named Donald Crawford & Janet Curry/Currie)

This perhaps supports the proposition that McGraffan is a localised Gaelic rendition of Crawford.


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Re: Kilmory - Is "Crawford" the same as "McGraffan"
« Reply #22 on: Friday 03 February 23 05:11 GMT (UK) »
And here's another apparent instance in Kilmory:

1764 Marriage of William McIyre & Jean McGRAFAN

Births to them:
1767 to William McTyre & Jean McGRAFAN
1777 to William McTyre & Jean McGRAFFAN
1779 to William McTyre & Jean McGRAFFAN
1783 to William MacIntyre & Jean CRAWFORD

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Re: Kilmory - Is "Crawford" the same as "McGraffan"
« Reply #23 on: Friday 03 February 23 08:53 GMT (UK) »
Yes I saw those much earlier, see my reply 1 Feb :)
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