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Re: Martin Winn's kids seem to have different mothers?
« Reply #72 on: Tuesday 07 February 23 06:47 GMT (UK) »
Thank you everyone for trying to resolve this mystery. The latest input from Osprey and Heywood is really useful for family background. But I think we may have exhausted ways to solve the mixup.
I agree that Mary does appear to be 17 which may have contributed.
Jen, thanks for the church tip, I am still very new to this stuff and Google mislead me. So much to learn. The folk here certainly make up for my deficiencies.
Thanks all.
Winn, Wynne, Wynd, Wind, Winde

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Re: Martin Winn's kids seem to have different mothers?
« Reply #73 on: Tuesday 07 February 23 12:05 GMT (UK) »
Google mislead me.

I can see why Google came up with St Cuthbert's being Roman Catholic - it is a City Centre Church. The 'right' St Cuthbert's is a little out of the City Centre.

As I said before, the other clue would be the format of the entry you were sent.
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Re: Martin Winn's kids seem to have different mothers?
« Reply #74 on: Tuesday 07 February 23 15:18 GMT (UK) »
Michael Forbes appears to have died in Dec 1871 and is buried in St Cuthberts, Durham.

I am reposting the 1881 census previously posted by Osprey for James Forbes.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27B-BWBZ

Look carefully at this as the details for his wife, recorded as Hann, are familiar as those of Michael's wife, Ann. Moreover the two sons showing, John and James would, from their age and place of birth appear to be the sons of Michael and Ann.

So I would suggest that James married his brother's widow, Ann. Now we come to a rather interesting marriage:

18 May 1872 James Forbes married Ann Storey in Spennymoor. Moreover if you look at the co Durham marriage index it shows that these 2 names appeared on the marriage cert - Anne Storey and Anne Parkinson.

James Forbes was buried at Tudhoe, 4 June 1890 while Ann Forbes was buried 17 Dec 1891 at St Cuthbert, Durham but note that her residence on the Bt is given as Wingate.

Now given that Ann died in Dec 1891 you would expect to find her in the 1891 census. Not so but what can be found is a census record for a widowed Ann Storey living in Trimdon. Note her age and place of birth correspond with Ann Forbes in earlier censuses. Furthermore the details for son James correspond with those of James Forbes - age 23, the original showing as born in Framwellgate.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WJDK-LN2


In summary it appears we have 2 further instances of the use of the surname Storey for Forbes. The marriage certs. for Michael Forbes and Ann Parkinson and for James Forbes and Ann Storey/ Parkinson might well be worth obtaining.

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Re: Martin Winn's kids seem to have different mothers?
« Reply #75 on: Tuesday 07 February 23 15:44 GMT (UK) »
What great finds William. That has to be the same Ann who originally married Michael Forbes.

The mystery deepens.

Given the re-occurrence of the Storey surname I am happy to concede that it looks like my suggestion that
it might simply have been a surname that, for some reason, Mary conjured out of thin air.
just isn't correct.

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Re: Martin Winn's kids seem to have different mothers?
« Reply #76 on: Tuesday 07 February 23 16:45 GMT (UK) »
That James Forbes marriage cert to Ann would be interesting indeed. What a good find!
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Martin Winn's kids seem to have different mothers?
« Reply #77 on: Tuesday 07 February 23 16:54 GMT (UK) »
Well that is interesting.
So, it takes the Storey name back to Ann, Michael’s wife rather than Michael. Is that right?

I look forward to any explanations and solutions,  :)
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Re: Martin Winn's kids seem to have different mothers?
« Reply #78 on: Tuesday 07 February 23 17:01 GMT (UK) »
No I do not see it that way, Heywood. I would suggest that the Parkinson refers to her maiden name and Storey to her previous married name, which she has used rather than Forbes. Hopefully the marriage cert would clarify.

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Re: Martin Winn's kids seem to have different mothers?
« Reply #79 on: Tuesday 07 February 23 17:02 GMT (UK) »
I think that’s what I meant - that Ann was also using Storey - sorry!
However, you mean as her married name.
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Re: Martin Winn's kids seem to have different mothers?
« Reply #80 on: Tuesday 07 February 23 17:09 GMT (UK) »
That James Forbes marriage cert to Ann would be interesting indeed. What a good find!

That's another which could probably be obtained via the Durham Record Office quick search, since the transcription states that its a Parish record from Spennymoor.
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