Thomas Hanlon marriage to Alice McBride. 1872 Dundalk

[daljul]

I have found the marriage of the above 30th November 1872
I think the father is Laurence. How do I find a birth of Thomas when no age is given on the certificate?

Any help would be appreciated
Thanks dinkey

[Kiltaglassan]

Full Age on the marriage record means that Thomas was 21 and over i.e born c1851 and before.

Living in the townland of Rampark.
https://www.townlands.ie/louth/lower-dundalk/ballymascanlan/jenkinstown/rampark/

Alice living in the townland of Jenkinstown.
https://www.townlands.ie/louth/lower-dundalk/ballymascanlan/jenkinstown/jenkinstown/

Both townlands in the RC parish of
Lordship
Archdiocese of Armagh | County of Louth
Variant forms of parish name:
Ravensdale
Lordship and Ballymacscanlon
Ballymascanlan

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0191

You need to go through the baptism records.

Good luck

N.B. Ravensdale is in Co Louth.

[shanreagh]

Or you could look for the family in the 1901/11 censuses

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

or death records

http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/

Both of these will give you a more precise year/s in which to search.

Or if the couple emigrated or moved to England/Scotland then track down the death cert/census data from there and work back on the registers that Kiltaglassan has given

[wivenhoe]

Can you give the rest of the information that we cannot see.

What name for witnesses?.

Do all parties sign?.

[Kiltaglassan]

Can you give the rest of the information that we cannot see.

What name for witnesses?.

Do all parties sign?.

Here's the link-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11324/8156010.pdf

Witnesses- John Hanlon, Catherine Hanlon

[daljul]

Thank you everyone who has replied and the helpful links. Neither of the witnesses John or Catherine Hanlon signed. Also I don't know whether they are brother and sister to Thomas or whether John is a brother and Catherine is his wife.

I found Alice on the 1901 and 1911 census. She is shown as married but Thomas is not with her.
1901 census address Slievenaglogh, Jenkinstown, Louth Married age: 55 with daughters Mary & Kate
1911 census address Slievenaglogh, Jenkinstown, Louth Married age 69 with daughter Mary Hanlon and granddaughter Mary Sheelan.

Questions: where is Thomas? I can't find him on either census.  Their eldest daughter Mary was born 1873 Sleivenaglough, Dundalk. Birth registered by Alice. Their youngest child John's birth in 1888 was registered by Thomas.
Where and when was Thomas born? was it Rampark, where he was living when he married Alice?
Where and when did Thomas die and who registered his death?

I can see that there is quite a bit of trawling to do to find Thomas son to a Laurence/ Lawrence? without knowing where he was born or died.

Thanks dinkey

[Kiltaglassan]

1911 census address Slievenaglogh, Jenkinstown, Louth Married age 69 with daughter Mary Hanlon and granddaughter Mary Sheelan.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002937274/

Granddaughter Mary Ellen Sheelan born 26 August 1899 at Rathcor townland. Her mother Annie nee Hanlon.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02030/1778497.pdf
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5229902#map=13/53.9917/-6.1915

Marriage 28 November 1896 - Patrick Sheelan to Annie Hanlon.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10508/5827508.pdf

Their eldest daughter Mary was born 1873 Sleivenaglough, Dundalk. Birth registered by Alice.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03187/2168641.pdf
Actually, the birth registered by Thomas Hanlon.

Anne Hanlon (from the above marriage) born 1875.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03092/2133746.pdf

[Elwyn Soutter]

Where and when was Thomas born? was it Rampark, where he was living when he married Alice?

Farmers tend to stay put. You didn’t spend 50 years improving a farm to then move to another one, if you could avoid it.  So you would expect Thomas to have been born in Rampark. Griffiths Valuation for 1854 lists Laurence Hanlon on plot 22a in Rampark. I don’t see a death for him 1864 onwards, so would guess he died between 1854 and 1863, in which case there may be no record.

[eileenwilson]

There is a baptism for a Thomas Hanlon in Carlingford (which is in Louth, but part of Armagh diocese) on March 21, 1839, son of Lawrence Hanlon and Margaret Lymma(?); sponsors are Barney Lymma(?) and Bridget McCann.

In the same parish, there is a baptism for a Thomas Hanlon on December 25, 1852, son of Lawrence Hanlon and Rose Quinn of C. Muckla (spelling?); sponsors are Patrick Hanlon & Rose Quinn.

Lawrence & Rose had two other children -- residence given as C. Muckle