Missing Marriage yet 'Married' in Census?

[softly softly]

For some reason the William Bryan mmn Jayes/Jeyes is never with his parents George & Drucilla from 1861 census onwards. They appear with lots of children from 1861 onwards.

John

[littleem1906]

Yes, this seems odd doesn't it?

[softly softly]

I think it comes down to either William Bryan with mmn Jeyes or William Bryan no mmn ref Market Harborough jq 1855 7a 20.

In the 1871 census William is aged 14 with an occupation of Shoe Maker. Is this the same William Bryan aged 36 in 1891 census ref 1199 55 5 a patient with occupation Shoe "Laster"

Google

One who fits the parts of shoes to lasts preparatory to the subsequent operations, especially in a shoe-factory.

John

[ALAMO2008]

Fantastic - thank you! This at least tells me both children are of the same mother and that their father William Bryan must have been with Sarah Emma Mansell Rawbone. I just can't find their marriage.

There is a Marriage of Sarah Emma M Rawbone in March Quarter 1883 St Saviour Vol 1d page 161

Have you in your Marriage searches for Rawbones to Bryan and found none.

Have you Not Considered the Rawbones Married previously and were Widows when they married Bryan ?

[littleem1906]

I did consider that perhaps Sarah Emma had married previously, but considering she was having children with William Bryan from at least 1878 onwards, when she would have been 23, it seemed unlikely to me.

The Sarah marrying in London is Sarah Emily M Rawbone, which of course is interesting. But in 1883 my Sarah was living with her husband William Bryan.

[littleem1906]

I think it comes down to either William Bryan with mmn Jeyes or William Bryan no mmn ref Market Harborough jq 1855 7a 20.

In the 1871 census William is aged 14 with an occupation of Shoe Maker. Is this the same William Bryan aged 36 in 1891 census ref 1199 55 5 a patient with occupation Shoe "Laster"

Google

One who fits the parts of shoes to lasts preparatory to the subsequent operations, especially in a shoe-factory.

John

It does look likely doesn't it? In which case, that William Bryan seems to be accounted for, and stayed living in Northampton. Back to the drawing board.

[Talacharn]

The other thread:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=722537.0

From FreeCen: On the 1891 census William is born at Basleath.  It would seem on Anc* it was transcribed as Balsheath. It is likely Balsall Heath. Wiki says: Balsall Heath was agricultural land between Moseley village and the city of Birmingham until the 1850s when expansion along Moseley Road joined the two. The final birthplace is Evesham. It seems a strange place to give when the previous birthplaces have been Birmingham, but there is no registration in Evesham.

ALAMO2008: “Marriage of Sarah Emma M Rawbone in March Quarter 1883 St Saviour Vol 1d page 161” St Saviour as a district is in Shoreditch London, when from 1881 to 1901 they were living in Birmingham. I then found a St Saviour in the centre of Birmingham. Does the transcription offer anything more?

[jonwarrn]

William Bryan no mmn ref Market Harborough jq 1855 7a 20

None of the births with that reference have a mother's maiden name given on the new index, all have a dash. Some kind of fail there.

Probably that one is William Bryan baptized 15 July 1855, Saddington, Leicestershire. Parents John and Elizabeth. Abode Saddington, father a Frame Knitter.

Baptisms on the same day at Saddingon for Harriet Bosworth and Harriet Norman, whose births are also indexed on 7a 20, June 1855, Market Harborough.

[ALAMO2008]

I did consider that perhaps Sarah Emma had married previously, but considering she was having children with William Bryan from at least 1878 onwards, when she would have been 23, it seemed unlikely to me.

The Sarah marrying in London is Sarah Emily M Rawbone, which of course is interesting. But in 1883 my Sarah was living with her husband William Bryan.

Ooops I need to go to Specsavers as I miss read what I found Sorry.

Although Sarah was 23 from 1878 she still could have been Married for 3 or 4  years previously