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Missing Marriage yet 'Married' in Census?
« on: Wednesday 12 April 23 12:28 BST (UK) »
I'm trying to find a marriage for SARAH EMMA MANSELL RAWBONE. She was born in 1854 Q2 in Stratford upon Avon. She was baptised on 9th July 1854 at Holy Trinity in Stratford upon Avon. Her parents are listed as Thomas Rawbone and Elizabeth.

I know the 'Mansell' in her name is her mother's maiden name, as I found her parents' marriage - 18th Nov 1845 at Holy Trinity in Stratford upon Avon. Thomas Rawbone and Elizabeth Mansell.

I believe Sarah married William Bryan, and she appears in census records with him from 1881 onwards, living in Birmingham. Each time her place of birth is listed as Stratford upon Avon. Details as follows:

1881 - Steward Street (house name hard to read)
Lodging with her husband William Bryan with the Lawton family (William and Adelaide Lawton). At this point they have 2 children - Sarah E Bryan and William H Bryan. (N.B. Lawton is connected to the Bryan family that I am also looking into).

1891 - 13 Court 8 House Steward Street
Living with William and their children - Sarah E, William, Florence, Charles and Eliza Jane.

1901 - 6 back 47 Steward Street
Living with William and their children - Sarah, William, Florence, Charles, Elizabeth. Also Joseph Dainty (22) is living there with his daughter Elsie May Dainty (2). Joseph Dainty married William their daughter Sarah Elizabeth Bryan in 1898 so I'm not sure why she was listed with the Bryan surname and not her married name on this census.

1911 - 5/47 Steward Street
Living with her daughter Sarah Dainty and her husband Joseph. Sarah senior is listed as a widow.

It's a shame her husband William Bryan had died prior to 1911, as it would have been helpful to see in this census how long they had been married. I cannot find a marriage between a Sarah Emma Mansell Rawbone and a William Bryan.

Another poster on here told me in another query I had (years ago) that on GRO William H Bryan (the son of William and Sarah) had a mother's maiden name listed as Rawbone. And that also a Sarah Elizabeth Bryan had a mother's maiden name listed as Mansell on GRO. I don't know if that is the case or not as I can't find this.

William H Bryan married in 1906 and was living at 77 Steward Street at the time. Father's name William Bryan. Witnesses to the marriage were Florence Bryan and Frank Barker, who later married. This Florence is William's sister.

If anyone could help me with a marriage between Sarah Emma Mansell Rawbone and William Bryan I would greatly appreciate it. I need this to determine William's father's name so I can continue searching the Bryan line.

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Re: Missing Marriage yet 'Married' in Census?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 12 April 23 12:52 BST (UK) »
Another poster on here told me in another query I had (years ago) that on GRO William H Bryan (the son of William and Sarah) had a mother's maiden name listed as Rawbone. And that also a Sarah Elizabeth Bryan had a mother's maiden name listed as Mansell on GRO. I don't know if that is the case or not as I can't find this.

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Re: Missing Marriage yet 'Married' in Census?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 12 April 23 13:09 BST (UK) »
William Bryan . mmn Rawbone 
Apr-Jun 1881 . Birmingham . Volume 06d . Page 19
Florence Bryan . mmn Rawbone 
Jul-Sep 1884 . Birmingham . Volume 06d . Page 15

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Re: Missing Marriage yet 'Married' in Census?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 12 April 23 13:11 BST (UK) »
Fantastic - thank you! This at least tells me both children are of the same mother and that their father William Bryan must have been with Sarah Emma Mansell Rawbone. I just can't find their marriage.
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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 12 April 23 13:15 BST (UK) »
Charles Bryan . mmn Rawbone 
Jul-Sep 1887 . Birmingham . Volume 06d . Page 23
Eliza Jane Bryan . mmn Rawbone 
Jul-Sep 1890 . Birmingham . Volume 06d . Page 26

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Re: Missing Marriage yet 'Married' in Census?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 12 April 23 13:21 BST (UK) »
William LAWTON was Isaac LAWTON when he married Adelaide PEARCE in 1865.  He is Isaac in 1871 and then William in 1881.

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Re: Missing Marriage yet 'Married' in Census?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 12 April 23 13:23 BST (UK) »
Yes - I have Isaac Lawton married to Adelaide Pearce. The William did throw me a little at first.
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Re: Missing Marriage yet 'Married' in Census?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 12 April 23 13:28 BST (UK) »
“Sarah Elizabeth Bryan had a mother's maiden name listed as Mansell”
They may not have married.
I think this is the one you refer to:
Sarah Elizabeth Bryan . mmn Mansell 
Jul-Sep 1878 . Birmingham . Volume 06d . Page 14

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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 12 April 23 13:46 BST (UK) »
Yes, I'm starting to think they didn't marry. Which really doesn't help me!

I thought it was more common in those days to marry than not marry so I wonder why they chose not to.
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