Alice Steel/ Steele/ Steed London 1900's

[Girl Guide]

Well I'm not coming up with any birth for an Alice Myrtle Steel but I did find this in connection with Ronald Thompson who married Doris Brams.

Marriage and Family      Married (1) 24 April 1943, St John’s Church, Fremantle (Church of England) to Doris Violet Brams, daughter of Charles Alfred Frederick Brams and Alice Myrtle Steel
Children: one son and one daughter
Widowed 27 March 1986

Apparently Ronald was an MP in Western Australia.

[rachtravem]

Yes, Girl Guide.
Ron was Minister for Police
This is my FIL's father. it is Doris' mother that (FIL mother's mother, Alice M Steel) that we are trying to find heritage for.

[Girl Guide]

I've tried all sorts of things but not coming up with anything for an Alice Myrtle Steel born 1897 or thereabouts.

I cannot find any record of birth for her at all, no baptism, no likely census record but sometimes second names are not included.

It's as though she doesn't exist!  Certainly not in any records.

[jonw65]

I would be interested to see the birth cert. for the address, etc.

Birth registration:
BRAMS, DORIS  VIOLET                Mother: DERRICK 
GRO Reference: 1922  J Quarter in HOLBORN  Volume 01B  Page 1040

Yes, have you got this certificate?
If so, can you give us all the information on it.

[rachtravem]

will find out but believe not

[rachtravem]

ok, Apparently, due to "unmarried mother status", birth cert has Evelyn Derrick as Doris' mother, when it was actually Alice

[softly softly]

As jonw65 has asked is there an address on birth cert.

John

[rachtravem]

Recap for Alice Myrtle Steel

Apparently, Alice met Charles A F Brams after he came back from the War in 1920/21. He was still married to Eveyln Derrick and never divorced her. Alice gave birth to a daughter, Doris Violet, under the name of Eveyln. They came to Aust, with Alice travelling as Eveyln. Either Doris' Marriage Cirt or Alices death Cert states Alices' name as Alice Myrtle Steel

[jonw65]

She is just plain Alice on the electoral registers though (and her death registration). But her husband didn't use his full names. From the newspapers, he seems to have been known as Harry Brams in Australia.

Another child "seemingly" born to Charles & Evelyn.
Births Dec 1919 
Brams    Harold    Derrick    Holborn    1B   1230a   Died 1983
With his grandparents in 1921 census.

Yes, with the Derricks.
There might be something odd about that birth reg
I cannot get it up on the new GRO index at all.

If you look at the original image, it has been added by hand at the foot of the page. Like some similar examples I have checked out, does this extra "a" entry suggest it is connected to one of the five registrations on the relevant page number?

In Dec 1919 Holborn (1b) page 1230 the only likely one is
Bennett, Harold
mother Bennett

Which comes up on the new index as
BENNETT, HAROLD       
Mother's Maiden Surname: —
GRO Reference: 1919  D Quarter in HOLBORN  Volume 01B  Page 1230  Occasional Copy: A