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Brick Wall - help please
« on: Sunday 25 June 23 19:05 BST (UK) »
Trying to track down a bit of a side line on my family tree and wondered if anyone could help

This is my great grandfather's first wife

Isabella Catherine Constantine was born 4th March 1849 in Stockport to James Constantine and Esther
Found her in the 1851 census
Both parents died in the next decade (1856 and 1858) and by 1861 she's living with her grandparents, still in Stockport

20 Dec 1868 she married Richard Bowker in Manchester

I then can't find her until she married by greatgrandfather on 23 Dec 1882 in Nuneaton (William Tiday) - she is listed as Isabella Bowker, a widow daughter of James Constantine - so while Nuneaton is a really random place for them to be (though he did spend 16 years in the Army so maybe that explains it)

Then dies in Ashton Under Lyne in 1904

She may be a servant in Stockport in 1881 as Isabella Bowker the age is out and says she's unmarried and born manchester

I can't find a death for Richard Bowker or where they both were, any help appreciated

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Re: Brick Wall - help please
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 25 June 23 19:38 BST (UK) »
A possibility for Richard

1881 3987 /63/30
Salter Street Manchester
John Bowker 54 yrs Fustian Finisher
Mary 53 yrs
Richard 31yrs Son Married Iron Grinder b Pendleton
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Re: Brick Wall - help please
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 25 June 23 21:50 BST (UK) »
I'm a  bit confused

I can find a William Tiday (or similar) married to an Isabella and living in the Leicester area - but she's much older than your Isabella: born Manchester c1825

also she's still alive in 1911 - although indexed as Bella

and they were together in 1861

Are you sure you have the right people?

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Re: Brick Wall - help please
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 25 June 23 21:56 BST (UK) »
conflicting birth dates on one  tree says Isabella born 4th March 1848 could be a mis spelling
mother was Esther Salt

Esther Salt Married 21 June 1843, Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George, Lancashire, England, to James Constantine ca 1823-1856 with
F Isabella Constantine 1848-
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Re: Brick Wall - help please
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 25 June 23 21:58 BST (UK) »
Have found them now - 1901 and death certificate say b c1854

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Re: Brick Wall - help please
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 25 June 23 22:01 BST (UK) »
Mabel,

1901 2989 /12/16
78 Coral Street, Leicester

William Tiday 44 yrs
Isabella b Stockport
Nellie 9 yrs b Leicester

Sorry Mabel - I’ll leave it though in case anyone wants to know  :)
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Re: Brick Wall - help please
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 28 June 23 22:57 BST (UK) »
I'm a  bit confused

I can find a William Tiday (or similar) married to an Isabella and living in the Leicester area - but she's much older than your Isabella: born Manchester c1825

also she's still alive in 1911 - although indexed as Bella

and they were together in 1861

Are you sure you have the right people?

That Bella is my great great grandmother - William's father is also William and his Mother is Isabella (nee Jones)   - my grandmother was also Isabella - known as Bella