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1574 Will of David Gllm ap Thomas
« on: Saturday 01 July 23 02:19 BST (UK) »
Hi,
I ordered a copy of the 1574 Will of David Gllm ap Thomas of Merthyr Cynog, Breconshire, from the Library of Wales. It is surprisingly legible and I can make out most of it. Much of the Will involves bequeathing oats and farm produce to various relatives, and cash to the Cathedral of Wales.

I know from a previous document that David Gllm ap Thomas bequeathed a large estate called Bailybrith to his son Thomas David Gllm.

However, the Will doesn't specifically state that David Gllm ap Thomas bequeathed any specific estate, it may be contained in the last passage attached.

I have added my interpretation of this snippet in the hope that the Forum can help me read the parts marked with a ???

I would be very grateful for any help with this, including a check of my inexpert interpretation of the rest of the passage.

Best regards (again!!!)

Llanfi  :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Re: 1574 Will of David Gllm ap Thomas
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 01 July 23 09:23 BST (UK) »
Hi, I've filled in most of the gaps. Can't make out the last line.

... Sr Hughe Evans clerk iiis iiiid [Sir was often used for priests, he probably wasn't a knight]

.... true & Laufull executor ....  ap glimm to be overseer with thaforsaid [the aforesaid] executor to finishe & execute

.... wytines [witnesses] at the making herof [here of] John Thomas of buellt, thomas ap Jenn* ap morgan, Jenn* bedo madock [don't know what Jenn* is an abbreviation of. Also 'n's can be 'u's]

per me hugone Evans cl* curat* ibm. [This is in abbreviated Latin. Presumably means something like, by me the above Hugo Evans ..... ]

David

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Re: 1574 Will of David Gllm ap Thomas
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 01 July 23 09:40 BST (UK) »
" Sr Hughe Evans clerk iiis iiiid"
"Item I doe make and ordaine Rhydd dd ap gllim to be my true & Lawfull executor of this my last will & testament ?also? I doe"
"to be ov[er]seer ? thaforesaid executor to finishe & execut this my last will & testament wytnes"
"Ieuna bedo madock & me Hugone Evans ?cler? curat ibm"

My interpretation. but beaten to it again.
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Re: 1574 Will of David Gllm ap Thomas
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 01 July 23 09:44 BST (UK) »
Suggestion for last 3 lines:

... wytnes at the making herof John thomas of

buellt, thomas ap Ieu(a)n ap morga(n), Ieu(a)n bedo madock p(er) me

Hugone(m) Evans cl(er)icu(m) curat(orem) ib(ide)m


= by me Hugh Evans, clerk, parish priest in the same place
(I think this means Evans was the writer)

bedo = Meredith ?


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Re: 1574 Will of David Gllm ap Thomas
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 01 July 23 19:44 BST (UK) »
Hello All!

I'm nearly there..

How much money did Hugh Evans get? (first part of the snippet)

There seems to be two executors: Please have a look at that passage with Thomas David Gllm in it..
there seems to be a different assignent for Rdd dd ap Gllm involving a bond and something.

It is Howel John Thomas of Built.

The information that Hugh Evans was a priest is interesting... I am researching a Hugh Beavan of Merthyr Cynog who died in 1690... and he could have been a son of Hugh Evans ( Beavan being possibly ab Evans)

I would like to get the entire snippet decipherd and will post my interpretaion based on your helpfull input later on

Thanks to all of you!!

Llanfi  :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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Re: 1574 Will of David Gllm ap Thomas
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 01 July 23 20:25 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Theophilus Jones in his "History of Breconshire" described Sir Hugh Evans in the attached snippet.

He was both a knight and a cleric!!

Cheers,

Llanfi  :) :) :) :)
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Re: 1574 Will of David Gllm ap Thomas
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 01 July 23 22:34 BST (UK) »
Hello All!

I'm nearly there..

How much money did Hugh Evans get? (first part of the snippet)
 

iijs iiijd is 3 shillings 4 pence

The last 'i' was always written as 'j to show this was the last one.
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Re: 1574 Will of David Gllm ap Thomas
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 02 July 23 00:10 BST (UK) »
No, he wasn't a knight. The footnote to the excerpt of the History of Breconshire you attached explains how the appellation (i.e. Sir) was used for at one time only for priests without degrees but later for all types.

The will quoted there doesn't include any children so he's unlikely to be the father of Hugh Bevan. Also, given that there's 108 years between their deaths, if there is a connection they are more likely 2 or 3 generations apart.

There is only one executor but there is also an overseer. That is quite common in early wills. I don't know what the legal standing of an overseer was.

The word before "John Thomas" is definitely "herof".

David

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Re: 1574 Will of David Gllm ap Thomas
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 02 July 23 01:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks to all of you!
Your help is greatly appreciated, and I thank all of the others in this Forum for their courtesy and expertise. This is an unique Forum, and I hope it is as useful to others.

Cheers,

Llanfi  :) :) :) :) :) :)
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