Look up request: James Jones

[Rosygem]

Hi all,

I'm researching my GGM's first husband and the children they had together and am finding some conflicting info. I wondered if anyone would be able to help sanity-check what I have?

James Jones m. Sarah Carter on 19 Oct 1910, in Stockton Heath.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3FV-GZJ
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3LN-R43

In 1911 the couple lived at 23 Bridgewater Street with their son James Richard Jones (the address on his birth cert. matches his parent's parish marriage record).

James Jones Snr was 25 yrs old on the 1911 census, making his birth year abt 1886. It also says he was born in Ludlow, Shropshire. There were 5x James Jones born 1886 +/- 2 years in Ludlow. I don't have a mother's maiden name for him yet.

I believe James Jones Snr died before Nov 1919 as Sarah married my GGF, Joseph White, on 15 Nov in Warrington. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFNZ-WX8. She is listed as a widow, living at 10 Bridgewater Street, and the ages/parents' names all match up.

I wondered if James and Sarah had any more children, and after searching the Lanc-OPC for baptisms using the surname Jones + mmn Carter, I found:

Beatrice Evelyn Jones b. 1912 Warrington
Frederick Thomas Jones b. 1914 Warrington
Constance Mabel Jones b. 1916 Warrington

All 3 of these children have the address 10 Bridgewater Street on their baptism and birth certs.... but their father is listed as James Hill Jones. Every other record I've found for him lists him as just James Jones. What's the likelihood that I've mixed families up here? Everything else seems to match up, but where has the middle name Hill come from?

I've searched the census and can only find 1x James Hill Jones living in Warrington with a father called Richard (as per the marriage record). That address is 48 Howard Street and shows a sibling called Beatrice E which would correlate, but James' birthplace is Worcestershire. There are no other James Jones b. abt 1886 on any census in Warrington.

Another thing is, several ancestry trees list James Jones serving in the military (soldier number 16268) and died in action in 1917 in France. But I've searched Fold3 for his soldier number and the pension ledger gives his name as James Joseph Jones - so I think that's a completely different person.

Can anyone help to fill in the blanks, please? Where was James prior to 1911? Was he in the military? When did he die?

Thanks for reading, sorry it's a lot of info to digest!

[heywood]

What is Richard’s occupation on the marriage certificate?

[Rosygem]

He was a farmer

[rosie99]

There is a James Hill Jones living Hendon Lacey (Ludlow) with father Richard Jones in 1901.  He was born Goggin, Herefordshire age 20 (born c1881
RG13 / 2506  f75 p9


Just read heywoods post about Richards occupation - This Richard in 1901 was a Sawyer

[Comberton]

Free search of 1921 census
Bridgewater Street, Warrington
Joseph White 1891 Runcorn
Sarah White 1888 Warrington
George Henry White 1900 Warrington
Doreen Francis White 1921 Warrington
James Richard Jones 1910 Warrington
Constance Mabel Jones 1916 Warrington

Stanton Lacy, Ludlow
Fred Thomas Jones 1914 Warrington      *****nephew
Frederick Williams 1881 Stanton Lacy
Mary Ann Williams 1880 Stanton Lacy

Possible marriage
Frederick Williams & Mary Ann Jones 1906 Ludlow

Possible death
Beatrice Evelyn Jones age 1
1914 Warrington

[Rosygem]

Thank you.

So I guess it's pretty likely that I have connected the right children to James Jone & Sarah Carter then.

James Richard Jones b. 1910 Warrington
Beatrice Evelyn Jones b. 1912 Warrington
Frederick Thomas Jones b. 1914 Warrington
Constance Mabel Jones b. 1916 Warrington

Just thought it was weird that their father would be listed as James Jones on pretty much every record, except for 3 of the children's birth certs. where he suddenly gets the middle name HILL

[rosie99]

I see that when James and Sarah married James Jones occ was a Sawyer, just like the Richard Jones father of James Hill Jones in the 1901 census. 

There is a James Hill Jones living Hendon Lacey (Ludlow) with father Richard Jones in 1901.  He was born Goggin, Herefordshire age 20 (born c1881
RG13 / 2506  f75 p9


Just read heywoods post about Richards occupation - This Richard in 1901 was a Sawyer

[Cas (stallc)]

JONES, JAMES  HILL     mmn LINGEN 
GRO Reference: 1881  D Quarter in LUDLOW  Volume 06A  Page 549

I think the Hill name comes from his grandfather, father of his mother, Elizabeth, was William Hill Lingen.

Online tree has some pics also his war death in 1917.

Cas