Tracing family roots

[D_P_Miller]

Hi folks
Looking for information about Archibald Miller my great-grandfather who lived in Rumbling Sikes Craigneuk circa 1865 and Garibaldi Square Craigneuk circa 1900
1. Any information, old photographs of him and his family
2. Any information, old photographs of housing in Rumbling Sikes and Garibaldi Square
3. Siblings or offspring of Archibald Miller. I have some information about my grandfather David Miller and his brother Archibald Miller who emigrated to Canada then settled in the USA
Thanks folks
DM

[MonicaL]

Hi DM

Welcome to RootsChat 

You haven't mentioned wives' names or birth years which would help.

Was it David, son of Archibald Miller and Isabella Paterson, who was born in Rumbling Sikes in 1868?

DAVID PATTERSON MILLER
Mother's maiden name PATERSON
1868
639 / 366
Dalziel

Archibald Miller and Isabella Paterson married on 13 April 1866 in Rutherglen, Lanarkshire.

Some children showing for them on the birth indexes on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk include:

James - 16 Oct 1866 in Dalziel
David - as above, on 19 Oct 1868
Isabella Paterson - 16 Oct 1870 in Dalziel...that is 2 births every 2 years born in mid October!
Archibald - 24 June 1873 in Dalziel

There will be more likely.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Not sure if you have a subscription to Ancestry? There is a family tree owner who has a photo of Archibald and wife Isabella. See www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/187657269/person/252455662207/facts

1881 census for the family:

Archibald Millar 43 Head coal miner b. Rutherglen, Lanarkshire
Isabella Millar 36 b. Glasgow
James Millar 15 coal miner
David Millar 12
Isabella Millar 10
Archibald Millar 7
Matthew Millar 3

Address Craigneuk 7 Sunnyside Row, Dalziel

The family show as living at 15 Merrys Square Dalziel in 1871.

Monica

[MonicaL]

DM, who did David Millar marry? Was it Mary Liddell?

There are the following children showing for them:

Archibald (Thomson) Miller

Christina Liddell Miller...married in Ontario, Canada in 1929

David Paterson Miller

Isabella Paterson Miller...married in Ontario, Canada in 1926. See www.findagrave.com/memorial/233773737/isabella-p-harnett

Jeanie Liddell Hutton Miller...married in Ontario, Canada in 1929

Margaret Lees Miller...twice married in Scotland. Died in PA, USA in a hotel fire in 1923. See www.findagrave.com/memorial/52826632/margaret-winnie

Mary Liddell Miller - married and remained in Scotland

Who was your grandfather, David b. 1868 (Archibald & Isabella) or his son David b. 1903 (David & Mary)?

Monica

[MonicaL]

This looks a possibility for the death of David b. 1868:

DAVID MILLER
Age 75
1943
Ref 639 / 618
Dalziel

And wife Mary:

MARY LIDDELL or MILLER
Age 74
1947
Ref 606 / 102
Monkton and Prestwick, Ayrshire


Is this the family in 1901?

David Miller 32 Head coal hewer b. Dalziel
Mary Miller 27 b. Bothwell
Margaret Miller 4
Archibald Miller 3
Isabella Miller 5 months

Address 33 Garibaldi Sqr, Dalziel

So, from all of this so far:

Your grandfather - David b. 1903
Your great grandfather - David b. 1868
Your g great grandfather - Archilbald born in the 1840s.

Monica

[MonicaL]

...and his brother Archibald Miller who emigrated to Canada then settled in the USA

Did Archibald come back to Scotland? There is this death entry on the index on www.scotlandspeople.gov.

ARCHIBALD MILLER
Age 82
Mother's maiden name LIDDELL
1981
Ref 760 / 111
Inveresk, East Lothian

Two marriages for him:

Charlotte Coleman Coulter, died 1945
Agnes Petrie Caithness Smith, died 1997

Monica

[MonicaL]

Is this family the right family for you, DM? You said in your post that your Grandfather David Miller migrated to Canada and then made his life in the US?

The David Paterson Miller born 1903 and the whole line up from there to Archibald. This David died in an Edinburgh hospital, Scotland in 1960. See clip below from his death reg:

[Neale1961]

Assuming that Monica has found the correct family ---- (please confirm D-P)

The family of Archibald Miller and Isabella Paterson (as far as I can see)

•   James Miller born 1866
•   David Paterson Miller born 1868
•   Isabella Miller born 1871
•   Archibald Miller born 1873
•   Matthew Thomson Miller born 1878
•   Janet Miller born 1882
•   John Miller born 1884
•   Helen (Ellen) Thomson Miller born 1888
•   Alexander Miller born 1890 – died 1891

[Neale1961]

This document gives some useful family information ---

Application for Parish Relief - 29 Jan 1901
Applicant – Isabella (Paterson) Miller. 216 Burnside Row Craigneuk
                Married 13 April 1866 Rutherglen. Protestant, Age 56, widow.
      daughter of David Paterson (Coalminer) and Janet Gillies.

Her husband Archibald Miller, 61, miner, died 22 Dec 1897 at Craigneuk – Archibald born Tollcross, son of James Miller (miner) and Helen Thomson.
 
Family (not dependent):
James 34 born Motherwell, miner , McDonalds building Craigneuk, Married - 4 children
David 32 born Craigneuk, miner, 19 Garibaldi Square, Married - 3 children
Isabella 29 born Craigneuk married to Adam Durham, miner , 2 children, Burnside Row Craigneuk
Archibald 27 born Craigneuk , miner, single living with sister Isabella at Burnside Row
Matthew 22 born Craigneuk, miner, single living with sister Isabella at Burnside Row
Janet 19 born Craigneuk, married to John McLeod, Burnside Row
John 17 born Craigneuk, miner, single, single living with sister Isabella at Burnside Row

 (The daughter Ellen Miller, a domestic servant, applied for parish relief in May 1905)