Mary Olive of Bolton?

[SapereAude]

Hello,

I am researching my 3x ggm, Mary Olive, who was born in Bolton (possibly Sharples) in abt. 1847 (estimated dates of birth from censuses vary from 1844 to 1850). She was a housekeeper and living at 54 Lum St. Bolton in 1911, with her daughter, Sarah Jane Curley (née Olive, b. 1884), son in law and grandsons. She was single and had two (living) children. I found her in the previous census living with her daughter and a boarder in the same house. I think Mary was a boarder in different households in the 1871 and 1881 censuses with a son (who must be the first child mentioned in 1911) called Edwin Olive born in Scarborough, Yorkshire in 1870. There obviously won't be any marriage records, so I won't be able to find her father's name and occupation, and I have looked at parish records and birth reg and can only rule out a few of the (many!) Mary Olives born around her time in Bolton, and can't find any for Sharples...

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated as always
SapereAude

P.S.: How common was it for unmarried working class women to have multiple children at that time and how would that have been seen by the people around them?

[CaroleW]

There are 2 births for a Mary Olive in Bolton

June qtr 1846 Bolton 21 229 mothers maiden name Hurst - parents James & Mary - marriage 1842

June qtr 1847 Bolton 21 211 mmn Horrocks - parents James & Betty but their marriage was in Bury 1845

[CaroleW]

In 1851 - James & Mary Olive only have a 1yr old son William

James & Betty Olive have a 5yr old Mary Ann?

[jonw65]

Possible death?
March 1918 Bolton 8c 358
Olive, Mary   
Age 71   

Burial at Tonge Cemetery, 2 Feb 1918
Mary Olive
Spinster
71 years
Death occurred Fishpool Institution
Consecrated ground
Notes - Darbishire Street
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G965-QWY8

Theoretically(!), as Mary died a spinster, her death cert could have her father's name on it.
She is not young however, and it would need a family member who knew his name to be the informant. As it's a workhouse or infirmary death, probably even less likely.

[jonw65]

Register of Deaths, Fishpool Institution
27th January 1918
Mary Olive
Address whence admitted 63 Chapel St
Age 71
Certified Cause of Death 1. Bronchitis
2. Mitral Incompetence
Buried 2nd February, Tonge Cemetery
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJS-QZZH

[SapereAude]

In 1851 - James & Mary Olive only have a 1yr old son William

James & Betty Olive have a 5yr old Mary Ann?

Fantastic, thanks, I'll have a look!

Possible death?
March 1918 Bolton 8c 358
Olive, Mary   
Age 71   

Burial at Tonge Cemetery, 2 Feb 1918
Mary Olive
Spinster
71 years
Death occurred Fishpool Institution
Consecrated ground
Notes - Darbishire Street
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G965-QWY8

Theoretically(!), as Mary died a spinster, her death cert could have her father's name on it.
She is not young however, and it would need a family member who knew his name to be the informant. As it's a workhouse or infirmary death, probably even less likely.

Thank you!
It would make sense that she could have died in a workhouse as I think her daughter died in 1914 and her grandsons moved to Oldham at some point (so their father could have been with them) which would leave Mary on her own

[CaroleW]

In 1861 - James & Mary Olive now have a 14yr old Mary in addition to 11yr old William.  2 younger children - Jonathan 7 & Ann 3

Mary's birthplace is Breightmet which came under the Bolton RD

[SapereAude]

In 1861 - James & Mary Olive now have a 14yr old Mary in addition to 11yr old William.  2 younger children - Jonathan 7 & Ann 3

Mary's birthplace is Breightmet which came under the Bolton RD

I think it is more likely that this is who I am looking for as I found the mmn Horrocks Mary (Mary Ann) marrying a Joseph Openshaw in 1889
That would also (kind of!) work with the fact that she said her birthplace was Sharples in 1871 census as it isn't far from Breightmet...
Thank you!

[lancsann]

probable baptism

Baptism: 21 Jun 1846 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Mary Olive - Daughter of James Olive & Mary
    Abode: Breightmet
    Occupation: Carter

Marriage: 1 Jan 1842 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
James Olive - (X), Full, Carter, Bachelor, Little Lever
Mary Hurst - (X), Full, Spinster, Little Lever
    Groom's Father: Walker Olive, Fustian Cutter
    Bride's Father: Jonathan Hurst, Farmer
    Witness: William Olive, (X); James Liptrot