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Re: Tracing Gt.Gt.G.Mother. Catherine Gonzales Smith's Parents.
« Reply #9 on: Monday 20 November 23 09:22 GMT (UK) »
When Kate dies in Australia in 1891 after a rather belated marriage to Henry Musgrave, her mother is named as Catherine Smith, no original records just transcribed, so waiting to see where the Gonzales name was used.

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Re: Tracing Gt.Gt.G.Mother. Catherine Gonzales Smith's Parents.
« Reply #10 on: Monday 20 November 23 09:25 GMT (UK) »
When Vera’s birth was registered in 1883 she did not have Inez. She acquired that before or at her death in 1885.
In 1882/3 in the Queensland newspapers was what looks like a serial (I haven’t ploughed through it to see for sure) called The Story of Inez

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Re: Tracing Gt.Gt.G.Mother. Catherine Gonzales Smith's Parents.
« Reply #11 on: Monday 20 November 23 09:25 GMT (UK) »
Previous information just found:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=871196.0

ADDED:  And this one

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=871116

Think we are repeating work..................

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Re: Tracing Gt.Gt.G.Mother. Catherine Gonzales Smith's Parents.
« Reply #12 on: Monday 20 November 23 09:45 GMT (UK) »
Previous information just found:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=871196.0

ADDED:  And this one

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=871116

Think we are repeating work..................

Thanks Chempat. 
No explanation of where the Gonzalez name supposedly appears.


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Re: Tracing Gt.Gt.G.Mother. Catherine Gonzales Smith's Parents.
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 21 November 23 10:42 GMT (UK) »
WOW! You are all amazing at the speed you have come up with so many trails and links to follow. PETER'S FAMILY CAME FROM CO. MONAGHAN.  So I have plenty to be getting on with.

Thank you all so much for your time and skill put into our family's quandry. When Catherine (Kate)
Mc Elroy went to Cooktown in Australia, her first child with Henry Musgrave was named Vera INEZ LUCY...which seems to be a 'nod' to her Grandmother's link with the Spanish link of Gonzalez. Perhaps there was a link in previous generations to a Spanish Senorita marrying an Irishman, and the name passed down the generations? Perhaps the church entries on births/marriages may throw up some answers? As it was a Baptism Cert., that actually proved the father's name of our Grandfather (who was a married man, with an extra marital affair with our Gt. Grandmother) - the Catherine (Kate) who sailed to Oz  1881, after handing over her first first child to the family who brought him up. Isn't Geneology fascinating, opening up cupboards and secrets from the past? There is no hiding place to the sluthes and 'bloodhounds' on the scent and trails of finding the truth in the past. THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH. IT IS SO APPRECIATED.  :-* :-* :-*

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Re: Tracing Gt.Gt.G.Mother. Catherine Gonzales Smith's Parents.
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 21 November 23 11:20 GMT (UK) »
Doreen,

In what document have you got the Gonzales name?  We can't see it recorded anywhere.

Thank-you

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Re: Tracing Gt.Gt.G.Mother. Catherine Gonzales Smith's Parents.
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 21 November 23 20:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi chempat, 

Older members of the family have letters with information about a Spanish link on the IRISH line of the family with the name Catherine Gonzales mentioned. Then when they traced through from a descendant of the family line, and an ancestor of of my maternal grandfather (he was the one that was adopted prior to his mother....and ancestor of this supposed Cathrine Gonzales.. THOUGHT SHE MAY BE MOTHER OR GRANDMOTHER OF THE MIRGRANT WHO..went to Cooktown in Australia, in 1881 after the baptism of her illegitimate son, (my grandfather) she met and had children to a Henry Musgrave. Their first child was Vera INEZ Lucy born 1882 (INEZ IS SPANISH FOR AGNES) - Sadly died as an infant. Then more children arrived. Catherine (Kate)  Mc Elroy married Henry Musgrave after their last child was born, and she died two years later. Her death certificate linked her back to her roots in Newcastle U.K....to her parents, Peter Mc Elroy and Catherine Smith. Who link back to Co. Monaghan in Ireland to where the family story/myth of the Irish Senorita of Cathrine (or variants) of Catherine Gonzales originates from. So Now I think I should be checking the Church records in Ireland. (IT WAS THE CHURCH RECORD IN GATESHEAD, THAT PINPOINTED THE BIOLOGICAL FATHER'S NAME OF MY ILLEGITIMATE GRANDFATER, AFTER AN AFFAIR HE HAD WITH CATHERINE Mc ELROY , WHILE HIS WIFE WAS CARING FOR HIS CHILDREN FROM THEIR MARRIAGE.  (oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practise to deceive). His identity had been put on the birth record and crossed out at the date of Registration. The Clergy back then, often didn't have such a filter on their comments in church records, especially in rural areas...and so that's how we found his biological father....and then traced his descendants...who also went to Australia. Some, however returned to England many years later and resettled in the N.E. (one of his sons, actually lived in the town that I was brought up in!!!! So there could have been the possibility of us meeting up...and who knows what could have transpired? Who would have thought that an 'Australian' could have been a blood relative???  Thanks for your interest in my query.

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Re: Tracing Gt.Gt.G.Mother. Catherine Gonzales Smith's Parents.
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 21 November 23 21:05 GMT (UK) »
mcha489

Some one put the name Vera INEZ Lucy in a list of births to HENRY MUSGRAVE AND CATHERINE
MC ELROY. I presumed it was from an official document; but perhaps it was a 'pet' name, and not on an official document; and as we all know the 'spoken word isn't worth the paper it's written on' as I Know personally from my personal search for my origins. I was lied to by Adopted family ("my mother was a young lass in service and dead" - she was 27 and a Sgt in the Army, and very much alive. "They didn't know her name" - She came to Adoption hearing and back to the house till her train was due! When I traced her (BY CRACKING MEDICAL CARD NOS. TO FIND WHERE I WAS BORN....I MANAGED TO GET THE CERT (by slightly underhanded methods and good luck) BIRTH MOTHER told me my father died, in the war; but she told me his name. Had i continued tracing straight after I would have met him....as we wrote for three years, until the year he died.                         IT'S B

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Re: Tracing Gt.Gt.G.Mother. Catherine Gonzales Smith's Parents.
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 22 November 23 09:57 GMT (UK) »
It looks like DNA testing would help greatly confirming ethnicity and links to birth fathers and half siblings descendants in each generation.

Have any of your biological relatives from either side taken 1 ?

My grandmother b 1900 was adopted
My mother myself+ my nephew took ancestry tests and all have DNA links to grandchild of her birth mother and great grandchildren of her bio great grandfather+2 of his wives .
It also confirms ethnicity of her grandfather what we expected.

So if the Spanish story is correct you would have a percentage of northern European ethnicity+ could find distant links to descendants of the Spanish gentleman if any have tested.

Look forward to hearing any updates
Roberts,Fellman.Macdermid smith jones,Bloch,Irvine,Hallis Stevenson