DNA testing to get certainity.

[Biggles50]

It can be a waiting game.

It might be useful to check if there were any paternity claims by family in the Petty Sessions.

I looked for my brickwall but none could be found, then six or so years later a high cM match came up that points to a certain individual actually being my Great Great Grandfather but I will probably never be able to find any paper trail to substantiate my suppositions.  I have just added notes and an explanatory PDF file will be in my electronic files that my family will inherit plus there is a Booklet that I am in the process of writing that gives what I know about the person concerned.

Good luck in getting as close as you can to breaking down the brickwalls

[coombs]

She was born c1851/1852 in Terling, Essex. Isabella Stokes. Petty Sessions is an option to look at in case she was adopted. May just be the birth was not registered or missed from the GRO index or garbled.

In another case I am doubtful as to the recorded mother, as I think she was the grandmother, as she was 51 in 1835 when the baby Clara was born, and previous child born 8 years earlier. Also the 1835 baby had her much older sisters first name as a middle name. And that sister later went on to have more children out of wedlock. Also Clara and her sister are untraceable in 1841 yet their family are all at home in Shoreditch.

[Talacharn]

Have you ruled out this registration?
Catherine Isabella Stokes  . mmn Turner 
Jan-Mar 1853 . Lambeth . Volume 01d . Page 338

[coombs]

Have you ruled out this registration?
Catherine Isabella Stokes  . mmn Turner 
Jan-Mar 1853 . Lambeth . Volume 01d . Page 338

Thanks. I did look into it but unfortunately spanner in the works. She wed in 1875 and is on 1871 census as Catherine Isabella Stokes with parents Thomas and Frances Stokes.

Maybe I should have said in my previous post, my Isabella stokes mmn was Britton.

[coombs]

On Ancestry some of my distant cousins have done their DNA and when viewing mutual ancestors in their public trees it says "DNA Match". Apparently my 3xgreat grandfather Thomas Cornwell (1829-1893) is listed as the father (tentative in brackets noted by the tree owner) of a John Robert Sutton, the 1853 born illegitimate child of Eleanor Sutton of Canewdon, Essex. John was baptised in June 1854 in Canewdon, baseborn son of Ellen or Eleanor Sutton.

My Thomas married in October 1854 so if he was the father of the 1853 child, this was before he married. Nothing yet certain but if so it shows DNA testing can open up Pandora's box of all sorts.

[brigidmac]

Biggkes have you got a link to the BBC sounds program The Gift
Please

I don't know how / where to search
Thanks B

[Biggles50]

Biggkes have you got a link to the BBC sounds program The Gift
Please

I don't know how / where to search
Thanks B

This should get you there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p0gd2dgb

I think that the last episode called Secrets should be Mandatory for all Roots Chat members to listen to, it is one of the reasons why I am now so adamant that without DNA validating a family line in your tree, said line is just a series of people who may or may not be related to you.

My own DNA test proved to me that despite all the paperwork and documentation being there in my tree on a specific line said line has NO biological relationship with me, an NPE occurred.

[coombs]

My grandfather seemed to have fathered a child in 1950 while he was married, and the child was born July 1951 so conceived around October 1950. The mother married another man while pregnant in April 1951, and that man Alfred was the 2nd cousin of my grandfather, and the baby was baptised in 1952 as the son of the mother, and also the son of the mother's new husband Alfred. Family stories have said my grandfather was the genetic father, and while we have never gone down the DNA route to confirm it, the 1951 child is the spitting image of his father, my grandfather. But no smoke without fire.

[Biggles50]

My grandfather seemed to have fathered a child in 1950 while he was married, and the child was born July 1951 so conceived around October 1950. The mother married another man while pregnant in April 1951, and that man Alfred was the 2nd cousin of my grandfather, and the baby was baptised in 1952 as the son of the mother, and also the son of the mother's new husband Alfred. Family stories have said my grandfather was the genetic father, and while we have never gone down the DNA route to confirm it, the 1951 child is the spitting image of his father, my grandfather. But no smoke without fire.

Presumably the Birth Certificate has the name of the Genealogical Father on it and not the name of the Biological Father?

If you have not got said certificate then if it was me I would order it.

Short of documentation proving the correct Father, DNA is the only way to be sure.

In my collection of BMD certificates, two are blatantly falsified declarations.