Grant. Ontario

[*Sandra*]

Based on the ages of the children born in the State of New York  they should be on the 1850 census.

There was an Adeline Winchel on the 1850 in Fort Covington, Franklin. New York. Not sure she would be correct if the children attributed to Allen and Adeline are to be believed.

Elijah Winchel 39
Dorcus Winchel 55
Lucy Winchel 26
Dorcus Winchel 23
Adeline Winchel   25
Malvina Winchel 6
Anna Winchel 3
James Barker 56

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

Family search has many USA and Canadian records.

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/96C8-566

John Alton Grant  is on the links throughout this thread.

John Grant - 2 April 1856 Illinois - 16 November 1928 Kent Ontario - Age 77 years 7 months 14 days
Marital Status   Widowed
Father's Name   Allen Grant

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/96C8-566

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DHCS-J6V?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AJK44-HW5&action=view

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

1861 census Glengarry Canada West

Donald Grant 29 Merchant RC
Allan Grant 40 lab. RC
Adelia  34 born U.S. church of Scotland
Cornelia 14 born U.S.  RC
David A   12 born Canada  RC
John 10 born Canada   RC
Randolph 8 born Canada  ( does he become Herbert Randolph Grant)

Among quoted the 1861 census earlier,
Here is a link:-

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D4XQ-CDN?view=index&action=view

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

FIND A GRAVE

John Alton Grant - 1856 - 1928


Maple Leaf Cemetery
Chatham, Chatham-Kent Municipality, Ontario

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/262013443/john-alton-grant

spouse Charlotte Bellinger Grant - 1862 - 1917

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/262014449/charlotte-grant

death certificate -

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D1DC-9V4?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AJD67-H3T&action=view

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

FIND A GRAVE 

Allen Grant - 1821 - 1905


Burial Details Unknown

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/263355680/allen-grant

death cert - http://www.rootschat.com/links/01syf/

spouse Adelia "Delia" WINCHELL GRANT 1825 - 1895


Burial Details Unknown

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/263355811/adelia_%22delia%22-grant

Sandra

[carver1641]

Thankyou Sandra I think you nailed it all that’s remaining is to find out is where In Scotland Allen was born and when he immigrated . That’s a hard one thankyou again

[Lisa in California]

1901 census  Kent County Ontario

Allan Grant 79 widower -born 10 May 1821  Ontario - Nationality Scottish - Roman Catholic
David Grant 51         born 9 November 1849 Ontario
Herbert  Grant 48      born 27 March 1853 U.S. came to Canada 1853
Lucy Winchell 78 sister in law born 16 September 1822 U.S. came to Canada 1891 - Nationality German Presbyterian
Alexander Grant 14  born 7 August 1886 Grand son  - Scottish  - Roman Catholic

Thankyou Sandra I think you nailed it all that’s remaining is to find out is where In Scotland Allen was born and when he immigrated . That’s a hard one thankyou again

I’ve only scanned through the posted information (hubby is watching tv and I can’t think)  but…

from the quoted details, I believe Allen was born in Ontario, and his parent(s) were of Scottish descent or were actually born in Scotland.  At least that’s what I’ve discovered about all of my ancestors on Canadian census returns (born in Ontario, either stating English or Irish nationality).

Did Allen claim to be born in Scotland in other census years?  If things quiet down here, I’ll look through your thread to see where he stated that he was born. 

[carver1641]

Thankyou born Scotland I just can’t figure out why my he had kids in the states I can’t find his marriage to Adalia John was 2 years old before coming to Canada and another son was born in the states as well I’ve been looking for a couple years with no luck thanks for trying

[amondg]

From New York you just have to cross Lake Ontario and you are in Ontario Canada.
Adelia and her sister Lucy were born New York State.

From Michigan again just cross Lake Huron and you are in Ontario.
Adelia's father moved from New York to Michigan I believe from census I looked at.

It just isn't that far and Allan could have moved to find work.

From Illinois to Ontario just cross Lake Huron into Michigan and Lake Michigan into Illinois.
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On 1861 census John is born Canada not the USA his sister Cordelia was born in USA. Information on death certificates is given those left behind.

1901 Herbert states they came to Canada 1853 before John was born.

Since Allan was Roman Catholic you need to contact R.C. churches in the area the records are not on film.
Adelia was Presbyterian they could have married in either church but with scaled down rites as it appears neither converted.

(I had excellent results when I contacted an R.C. church in Ohio)