Shipping Arrival Info - Johan CEDERLUND

[PatAussie]

Hi,

I'm currently trying to trace my ancestor, a Swedish citizen that immigrated to Australia, JOHAN CEDERLUND.

I have his information in Australia, but the trail goes cold when we get to the arrival information, so it's preventing me from researching any further back into his country of origin, (Stockholm) Sweden.

It may have be a case of stolen identity upon arrival. 

Some more information:

He died in 1907 (August 11?) in Corowa, NSW.

He never listed his parents on the Australian Marriage certificate.
He married Wilhelmine Henriette Dorothea Magthalena DANKEL (nee WALLMANN) on 28 Jun 1861 in Albury NSW.

Some random ships we thought he might have been on are:
'Pauline', arriving South Australia Dec 9, 1849
'Amelia Thompson' September 27, 1839
'Edward' April 12, 1842

Here is some research information that we received from a Swedish inquiry

"In my opinion this could be a case of theft of identification. Johan Adam, whom the Stockholm Stadsarkiv found in the 80-ies, seems to be living in Stockholm in 1861. The man in Australia stated that his father was a wine dealer (information found in the death certificate). In fact, there was a Johan Cederlund born on 30 April, 1825, as son to wholesale dealer Johan(nes) Cederlund and his wife Charlotta Rosenlind. But this Johan Cederlund lived in Stockholm, married there and died in 1909.

So to me it seems as if the man in Australia has taken the identification from the son of the wholesale dealer. Possibly, he could also have been illegitimate son of Johannes Cederlund."

Chris added to this that Johannes Cederlund belonged to the Cederlund family, famous for their Swedish punsch production."


Any new information would be greatly appreciated! Thanks 

[judb]

This would appear to be his death in the NSW BDM index:

1907 #8725, reg Corowa
John CEDERLAND
Parents: JOHN CHARLOTTE

There is an on-line tree which gives his confirmation? (I think!)
From: Finland, Communion Books, 1670-1917

Name   Jöhan Gustaf Cederlund
Birth Date   27 heinä 1840 (27 Jul. 1840)
Confirmation Place   Tampereen tuomiokirkkoseurakunta, Hämeenlinnan maakunta, Suomi (Finland)
Residence Place   Finska:, Tammerfors Stads Församling, Suomi (Finland)
Relation to Head   Scholaris
Volume Year Range   1838-1889

This tree suggests his birth was in Stockholm, Sweden

Judith

[shume]

It makes more sense that he came in to Sydney as he marries in NSW  and by 1865 he had selected land in Albury NSW and had Timber licences by 1869 (Govt Gazette)

[judb]

Although his death and marriage were registered in NSW the towns he lived in were close to the Murray. These Riverina towns were closer to Melbourne than Sydney so he may well have arrived in Melbourne and made his way north. Many of the Murray towns have a ‘twin’ on the other side of the river eg Albury/Wodonga, Corowa/Wahgunyah and the traditional footy played in the area tends to be Aussie Rules (need I say more!)  .

Judith

[Dundee]

He never listed his parents on the Australian Marriage certificate.

He would have been asked to name his parents but that information was not passed on to the registry.  You just need to see the church record of the marriage.

https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/catalog/6152203

St. Matthew's Church, Albury, New South Wales. Marriages: 1851-1866

You can 'order a copy'. 

The man in Australia stated that his father was a wine dealer (information found in the death certificate).

He didn't state anything, he was dead.  It is quite likely that the informant was repeating information directly from the original marriage cert but you should check as some informants were prone to making things up.

How old was he when he died and how long does it say he had been in NSW?

Debra 

[shume]

Thanks judb.. I forgot that Albury was on the border!

Makes sense to check Vic records more closely.

[PatAussie]

How old was he when he died and how long does it say he had been in NSW?

Debra 

The death certificate has him dying at age 78 (August 11, 1907 in the Corowa Hospital) approx 40 years in NSW.
Name and occupation of his parents: John Cederland - Wine Merchant. Charlotte Elliston.
The age of his kids listed are off by about 5 years.

This would appear to be his death in the NSW BDM index:

1907 #8725, reg Corowa
John CEDERLAND
Parents: JOHN CHARLOTTE

There is an on-line tree which gives his confirmation? (I think!)
From: Finland, Communion Books, 1670-1917

Name   Jöhan Gustaf Cederlund
Birth Date   27 heinä 1840 (27 Jul. 1840)
Confirmation Place   Tampereen tuomiokirkkoseurakunta, Hämeenlinnan maakunta, Suomi (Finland)
Residence Place   Finska:, Tammerfors Stads Församling, Suomi (Finland)
Relation to Head   Scholaris
Volume Year Range   1838-1889

This tree suggests his birth was in Stockholm, Sweden

Judith

Thanks! That matches the information on the death certificate that I have ie Corowa, parents names.

May I ask what online website had that tree information?

Although his death and marriage were registered in NSW the towns he lived in were close to the Murray. These Riverina towns were closer to Melbourne than Sydney so he may well have arrived in Melbourne and made his way north.

Judith

As far as I know he arrived in Melbourne (I got this information in the 80s from two researchers).

I'm also thinking of looking into his wife's first family, the Dankels (as mentioned in this thread).
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=316708.msg6096115#msg6096115It might bring up some more information.
Although, my aunty mentioned years ago, they didn't want anything to do with them once she remarried. Wilhelmine's kids married into Peterson and Berisford families (I'll add this information to the thread above).

[jamcat95]

Hi
This is the Johan Gustaf Cederlund from the Confirmation record, born in Tammerfors, Finland - 3rd down on left page:

https://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/tampereen_tuomiokirkkoseurakunta/syntyneet_1816-1849_tk635/105.htm

Ian

[jamcat95]

Parents:
Tailor journeyman Johan Cederlund and Maria Mattsdotter.

Ian